Post by freyfamilyreunion on Sept 11, 2016 14:53:32 GMT
One more crackpot idea. House Targaryen was convinced that TPTWP had to come from the line of Aerys and Rhaella. So it seems obvious that Rhaegar would be the one to fulfill this, after all he was the first born son of Aerys and Rhaella. But here is an interesting thought, what if he wasn't the son of Aerys?
We learn from Barristan that Aerys and Rhaella was a loveless marriage that was forced to bring about this prophecy. We learned that after he burned people alive Aerys would basically rape Rhaella. The World book (as much as it can be trusted) tells us that Rhaella had numerous miscarriages, stillbirths, and children who died in infancy, in fact she had so many that Aerys believed that someone was poisoning the children. We get other tidbits, a Ser Bonifer who's queen of love and beauty was Rhaella. We come across Aurane Waters who at first glanced looked very much like Rhaegar Targaryen.
What if like in Robert and Cersei, this loveless marriage between Aerys and Rhaella did not produce any actual children from Aerys and Rhaella? Instead Rhaella had one or more affairs, which led to the birth of Rhaegar and Viserys? Which would have kept Rhaegar from being TPTWP, since he was not born of the line of Aerys and Rhaella.
Now if Elia was born of an affair between Doran's mom and Aerys, and if Rhaegar was born of an affair between Rhaella and some unknown father (Bonifer perhaps, or Lord Velaryon), then perhaps this explains why Rhaegar's belief of being TPTWP changes from him to Aegon. If Rhaegar somehow pieced all of these facts together then he must have realized that the only way to get a PTWP, since his mom was so hell bent on not having any children with Aerys, was to get one of Aerys' bastards to have a kid with one of Rhaella's bastards. And if Rhaegar believed that he needed three such children, and he and Rhaella could only have two, then he would either 1) have to find another female bastard of Aerys old enough to have a kid, or 2) get Aerys to have a kid with a female bastard of Rhaella's. Or 3) have a bastard of Aerys have a kid with a bastard of Rhaella.
Now of course we don't believe that Rhaella had any female children (until she allegedly had Dany) but interestingly enough, we have a purple eyed dark haired Ashara Dayne, whose eyes according to Barristan look very much like Dany's eyes. I wonder, if it's possible that Rhaella's lady in waiting, the Princess of Dorne, could have snuck the dark haired Ashara, Rhaella's bastard girl, out of Dragonstone and into House Dayne, giving the cover story to Aerys that the child died in child birth.
Then we have the mysterious issue of a hooded woman who looks and sounds like Rhaella, leaving King's Landing after she was "raped" by Aerys, in a royal wagon in the morning. Which of course doesn't jive with Viserys memory of how they left Dragonstone. Perhaps if this was Ashara, perhaps she glamored herself to appear as Rhaella, for the purpose of conceiving a child with Aerys, to give Rhaegar his third head of a dragon. Maybe, just maybe, this child is Dany.
A bit crackpot I know. But if it does turn out that Rhaegar is not Aerys' son, the one bit to perhaps take from this is that Jon Snow, even if R + L is correct, could not be TPTWP per the Woods Witch prophecy.
ETA: while someone being glamored to appear as Rhaella may appear a bit crackpot, it actually has roots in mythology. Specifically the King Arthur myths. King Arthur was conceived when his father magically disguised himself to appear as Igraine's husband (Igraine being King Arthur's mom). So while Igraine is deceived into thinking she had sex with her husband she actually had sex with the current King of England, Uther Pendragon.
So in this scenario, the inverse happens, the Targaryen King is tricked into believing he is raping his wife Rhaella, when in reality he is raping Ashara Dayne, who then conceives a child (maybe Dany?)
We learn from Barristan that Aerys and Rhaella was a loveless marriage that was forced to bring about this prophecy. We learned that after he burned people alive Aerys would basically rape Rhaella. The World book (as much as it can be trusted) tells us that Rhaella had numerous miscarriages, stillbirths, and children who died in infancy, in fact she had so many that Aerys believed that someone was poisoning the children. We get other tidbits, a Ser Bonifer who's queen of love and beauty was Rhaella. We come across Aurane Waters who at first glanced looked very much like Rhaegar Targaryen.
What if like in Robert and Cersei, this loveless marriage between Aerys and Rhaella did not produce any actual children from Aerys and Rhaella? Instead Rhaella had one or more affairs, which led to the birth of Rhaegar and Viserys? Which would have kept Rhaegar from being TPTWP, since he was not born of the line of Aerys and Rhaella.
Now if Elia was born of an affair between Doran's mom and Aerys, and if Rhaegar was born of an affair between Rhaella and some unknown father (Bonifer perhaps, or Lord Velaryon), then perhaps this explains why Rhaegar's belief of being TPTWP changes from him to Aegon. If Rhaegar somehow pieced all of these facts together then he must have realized that the only way to get a PTWP, since his mom was so hell bent on not having any children with Aerys, was to get one of Aerys' bastards to have a kid with one of Rhaella's bastards. And if Rhaegar believed that he needed three such children, and he and Rhaella could only have two, then he would either 1) have to find another female bastard of Aerys old enough to have a kid, or 2) get Aerys to have a kid with a female bastard of Rhaella's. Or 3) have a bastard of Aerys have a kid with a bastard of Rhaella.
Now of course we don't believe that Rhaella had any female children (until she allegedly had Dany) but interestingly enough, we have a purple eyed dark haired Ashara Dayne, whose eyes according to Barristan look very much like Dany's eyes. I wonder, if it's possible that Rhaella's lady in waiting, the Princess of Dorne, could have snuck the dark haired Ashara, Rhaella's bastard girl, out of Dragonstone and into House Dayne, giving the cover story to Aerys that the child died in child birth.
Then we have the mysterious issue of a hooded woman who looks and sounds like Rhaella, leaving King's Landing after she was "raped" by Aerys, in a royal wagon in the morning. Which of course doesn't jive with Viserys memory of how they left Dragonstone. Perhaps if this was Ashara, perhaps she glamored herself to appear as Rhaella, for the purpose of conceiving a child with Aerys, to give Rhaegar his third head of a dragon. Maybe, just maybe, this child is Dany.
A bit crackpot I know. But if it does turn out that Rhaegar is not Aerys' son, the one bit to perhaps take from this is that Jon Snow, even if R + L is correct, could not be TPTWP per the Woods Witch prophecy.
ETA: while someone being glamored to appear as Rhaella may appear a bit crackpot, it actually has roots in mythology. Specifically the King Arthur myths. King Arthur was conceived when his father magically disguised himself to appear as Igraine's husband (Igraine being King Arthur's mom). So while Igraine is deceived into thinking she had sex with her husband she actually had sex with the current King of England, Uther Pendragon.
So in this scenario, the inverse happens, the Targaryen King is tricked into believing he is raping his wife Rhaella, when in reality he is raping Ashara Dayne, who then conceives a child (maybe Dany?)