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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 15, 2016 16:38:54 GMT
The question I have is was there a magic user present at Summerhall? Well, Jenny of Oldstones, "her Jenny", died there. Interesting that Jenny would be present given that Summerhall seemed to be a Targaryens-only kind of shindig, no? I mean, I know that she was married to Duncan the Small, but what about the other spouses? Were they there during the ceremony, or there at all? Also, my long-held belief is that Quaithe was somehow associated with the TOJ - and of course she's still walking around, meaning that if she had been there, she wasn't given to the flames.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 15, 2016 17:05:55 GMT
Well, Jenny of Oldstones, "her Jenny", died there. Interesting that Jenny would be present given that Summerhall seemed to be a Targaryens-only kind of shindig, no? I mean, I know that she was married to Duncan the Small, but what about the other spouses? Were they there during the ceremony, or there at all? Two things -- 1. Just to clarify, 'her Jenny' was that what she called the woods witch? Or was Jenny of Oldstones a magic practitioner herself. Sorry, poor memory on my part. 2. It is interesting that a third, non-related party should be there. And only one. If we look at the tent ritual, who else was there? What third, non-related party also entered that tent? Yep, Ser Jorah. He carried Dany and Rhaego inside, so he was present too. Jorah didn't die of course, but we could also make a case for the horse that burned on the pyre as third, non-related party to be present. Or we can go the other way and say the presence of the that third party dying messed things up.
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Post by min on Sept 15, 2016 17:12:08 GMT
What about the use of pyromancers and wildfire? Is it Aemon who mentions them? It seems the fire got away from them at Sumerhall. Which brings to mind Melisandre almost losing it.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 15, 2016 17:19:02 GMT
We don't know much about Jenny other than she was a wild common girl that claimed to be descended from river kings? some royalty? I can't remember. And, she was friends with the woods witch who is most likely the GoHH. The way that the GoHH refers to Jenny and still grieves for her, and the fact that Jenny had her at court, makes me think that they were actually related somehow. Either that, Jenny and the GoHH were 'sisters' in the cultish sense, and they were both Korrigans. Anyway, IMO there's a good chance that Jenny practiced magic. It is interesting that a third, non-related party should be there. And only one. If there was something going down at the TOJ, who would have been the 3rd party? Howland? VERY interesting that Jenny and Howland - who have similar origins - were both at their respective places - I wonder if they acted as "countermagic" to a fire ritual?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 15, 2016 17:20:27 GMT
I'm going to have to resort to reading the wiki, because my memory is not good enough on this score. Yes min a pyromancer I think would qualify, if he can use magic to make the wildfire, then technically he's a magic practitioner.
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Post by ac on Sept 15, 2016 17:36:34 GMT
Yes min a pyromancer I think would qualify, if he can use magic to make the wildfire, then technically he's a magic practitioner. I had always considered the pyromancers more like chemists.
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Post by ac on Sept 15, 2016 17:39:56 GMT
I can't believe I forgot about THIS part of that quote, too. I bet there's a fairly small pool of people that Aemon considers "better men". I cringe at the thought of what this could mean. I think Aegon V would fall into that category. Possibly attempting to sacrifice the unborn Rhaegar to hatch his dragon egg?
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Post by snowfyre on Sept 15, 2016 17:52:47 GMT
Yes min a pyromancer I think would qualify, if he can use magic to make the wildfire, then technically he's a magic practitioner. I had always considered the pyromancers more like chemists. They are identified as a branch of the Alchemists' Guild out of Lys. Which may be why you make that association. Though they do claim to work spells, and apparently the production (and efficacy) of wildfire does depend on magic.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Sept 15, 2016 18:03:00 GMT
Interestingly, Oldstones is just a stone throw away from Raventree Hall, and both are near the Sunset Sea. The Gohh still hangs around the Riverlands and High Heart is very near Harrenhal and the Isle of Faces. The Gohh in the South with pyromancing and Bloodraven beyond the Wall with the children.
As far as 'countermagic' goes, we do have that statement from the Gohh to Thoros,
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Post by Maester Flagons on Sept 15, 2016 18:07:15 GMT
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 15, 2016 19:15:36 GMT
While searching for some quotes or discussion I came across this at Reddit Well I'll be damned. That makes so much sense. Wow! Worldview totally turned on its ear! I'm going to need to rethink some things! Great find.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 15, 2016 19:27:28 GMT
Well I'll be damned. That makes so much sense. Wow! Worldview totally turned on its ear! I'm going to need to rethink some things! Great find. Didn't someone here also bring up the possibility that Dany is dead? I could've sworn I've read that idea before.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 15, 2016 19:32:53 GMT
Didn't someone here also bring up the possibility that Dany is dead? It's been said before, and I'm sure we've touched on UnDany before, but to see it laid out all nice and neatly like that helped it click home.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 15, 2016 19:37:59 GMT
The comments are great too - "Rhllorections". LOL
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Post by Maester Flagons on Sept 15, 2016 19:38:21 GMT
Well I'll be damned. That makes so much sense. Wow! Worldview totally turned on its ear! I'm going to need to rethink some things! Great find. Didn't someone here also bring up the possibility that Dany is dead? I could've sworn I've read that idea before. I've said it before, but it was not in the context of that reddit post. I thought she died and came back in the HotU.
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