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Post by Ser Duncan on Oct 26, 2016 18:06:44 GMT
I wonder if Arnold was part of the 'foundation' and killed by Ford for getting in his way. The MiB is not only a human of great importance; he knows Arnold. He knew that Arnold created The Game, one big story where you can't die, bur Arnold cheated at his own game and died. Real stakes, real violence, MiB is here to continue Arnold's legacy. I suspect that it's center is some kind of super computer which would allow access to all the data ever stored about the hosts, guests and their stories, as well as the ability to manipulate them. Essentially access to the power Ford was using when he was talking to Theresa. Ford already showed us that when he awakened the memory of the "town with the white church" to Boy. Happened right in front of our eyes. He wanted to see if the memory was in there? Or the code for that particular early part of the game? Ok, so what if the MiB is not Arnold, but his son? If we think about why would a man play a game obsessively for 30 years, combine it with the tech's observation last episode about the MiB having earned his right to play the game any way he wants, and the fact his goals, Bernard's goals and Arnold's goals all line up, then wouldn't a son completing his father's great work be a good reason for him to be there? That new question on the website could be a red herring, meaning it's not about immortality but about organ cloning. This foundation the MiB is head of in the RL sounds like it could be in the business of building body parts for those that need it. I would think it would be rather expensive, but the term foundation tends to mean philanthropic endeavours, not profits. So how would it be funded? It could be funded by Arnold Jr's inheritance. Now the other thing is that I still think the Boy is the cloned version of Arnold's son. Wouldn't it be interesting if the MiB and the Boy meet? WP noted how the Boy is dressed similarly to Ford, all in black with a white shirt. |
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 26, 2016 18:31:53 GMT
If this is true, what would it mean for the MiB to navigate the maze? I think the MiB already suspects it's not an actual maze. He's been brutal to the hosts on purpose, trying to force them to remember and change. That's why he repeatedly raped Dolores. I agree that certain hosts, likely starting with Wyatt, have created the religion as a way to make sense of memories they should not have but I wonder why Ford et al have allowed this religion to continue to exist and become part of the Westworld story. Ford relishes his role as "god" as evidenced by his conversation with Theresa. pulling a fast one on Ford? I must have missed something, because I thought both Arnold and Ford enjoyed playing god and that what is happening was both of their idea. ETA so access to the mainframe - the sort of access that Ford has - might be the ultimate control. I agree with whomever suspects that the MiB is Arnold and Ford and some of the other techs know it. That's why he gets to do whatever he wants. The going mad and dying in the park is just a story to hide what he's doing, that's why he was angry to be recognized. He wants to remain "dead". As for Ford's control of hosts, etc simply by waving his hand...somehow his brain is connected to the computer. How else to control the programming like that? |
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 26, 2016 18:37:07 GMT
Ok, so what if the MiB is not Arnold, but his son? I've seen this bandied about online, and I don't love it...mainly because casting. Ed Harris isn't that much younger than Anthony Hopkins IRL and lookswise they could pass for the same age...Ed's looking rough for 65. Anyway, that could just be my bias but I'm getting the feeling that they're meant to be contemporaries. I won't rule it out but it just doesn't feel right. That new question on the website could be a red herring, meaning it's not about immortality but about organ cloning. This foundation the MiB is head of in the RL sounds like it could be in the business of building body parts for those that need it. Now that's an interesting idea. And yes, while foundation implies NFP, we hear this from a guest at the park, who is paying $40K per day to be there...meaning, wealthy family. So if it's organ cloning for transplant purposes and whatnot, are we looking at a "Steve Jobs' new liver" situation in which really rich people are primarily the ones who can afford to do this? Go around the normal channels and pay for designer copy organs? Hmmmm.... |
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Post by Ser Duncan on Oct 26, 2016 19:36:59 GMT
That's why he repeatedly raped Dolores. Hmm, I don't think he's ever raped Dolores. I think he pulls her in there to get information like he did with the snake tattoo woman. Remember Dolores is an original host, back from Arnold's time on the project. Her father, Abernathy, is also an original host. Abernathy went mad off-loop when the MiB visited them in the first episode. I also think he's responsible for the gun that Dolores finds then stashes in the hay pile. I've seen this bandied about online, and I don't love it. I don't actually read any reviews, or talk about the series anywhere else, so I guess the idea must be a strong enough suggestion that lots of folks have picked up on. And here I thought I was being clever, LOL!  Ed Harris isn't that much younger than Anthony Hopkins IRL and lookswise they could pass for the same age...Ed's looking rough for 65. Yeah, I kind of have the same problem. I am not at all confident on their ages. That's why last week I thought the MiB was Arnold, LOL! It's like I'm in a loop of my own.  First week -- MiB is Arnold Jr Second week -- MiB is a program Third week -- MiB is Arnold Fourth week -- MiB is Arnold Jr Now that's an interesting idea. And yes, while foundation implies NFP, we hear this from a guest at the park, who is paying $40K per day to be there...meaning, wealthy family. So if it's organ cloning for transplant purposes and whatnot, are we looking at a "Steve Jobs' new liver" situation in which really rich people are primarily the ones who can afford to do this? Go around the normal channels and pay for designer copy organs? Hmmmm....  Of course, what was I thinking?! If the guest can afford to be in the game, that means the 'foundation' is not entirely philanthropic. Now I'm think it may not go that way only because that story line is the same as the film The Island. |
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 26, 2016 20:34:40 GMT
Hmm, I don't think he's ever raped Dolores. OK, now I've got to go back to the first episode, because I don't trust my memory. Maybe it was just implied? |
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Post by min on Oct 26, 2016 20:37:35 GMT
Hmm, I don't think he's ever raped Dolores. OK, now I've got to go back to the first episode, because I don't trust my memory. Maybe it was just implied? It was implied. We don't actually see what happens in the barn. We don't see it in the second flashback either. Just him standing there with that bowie knife. |
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 26, 2016 20:39:52 GMT
Hmm, I don't think he's ever raped Dolores. I think he pulls her in there to get information like he did with the snake tattoo woman. Remember Dolores is an original host, back from Arnold's time on the project. Her father, Abernathy, is also an original host. Abernathy went mad off-loop when the MiB visited them in the first episode. I also think he's responsible for the gun that Dolores finds then stashes in the hay pile. And Abernathy went glitchy after finding that photograph, which I suspect may also belong to the MiB. This is where we get into the "are we seeing multiple timelines play out" question. We're just now hearing Bernard tell Dolores about the maze, but know that the MiB has been looking for clues to it from E1. We do NOT know when Bernard is actually having his secret convos with Dolores, though - he obviously isn't pulling her out of her active narrative, and it doesn't appear to be happening when she's brought in for routine maintenance or whatever (notice that she's clothed in all her talks with Bernard, but naked when being serviced). If this is maybe following the ASOIAF script where we get POV 'chapters' out of sequence, then it could be possible that Bernard told Dolores about the maze way earlier, and the MiB is trying to extract THAT information every time he drags her into the barn. He's not physically raping her, but he could be mentally raping her for clues about the maze that she got from Bernard. I dunno, just spitballing there. I agree that he isn't raping her though. First week -- MiB is Arnold Jr Second week -- MiB is a program Third week -- MiB is Arnold Fourth week -- MiB is Arnold Jr HA! I'm doing the same thing! I'm on about an 8-hour mind change cycle, I think. "MiB is a host. No, he's Arnold. No, he's Ford! Wait, maybe Ford IS Arnold and the MiB is really...Ford?" Now I'm think it may not go that way only because that story line is the same as the film The Island. Forgot all about that movie. LOL Taking it back to whole-body consciousness transfer (the wonky question from the website) might apply though - imagine how much it might cost to dump all of your life/memory data into a replica of yourself. The concept is revolutionary and the technology to do it is amazing, of course, but application would be limited to only the super-wealthy. If some rich so-and-so is dying, would it be out of the realm of possibility for a billionaire to throw millions of dollars toward a "cure" created/promoted by a foundation, a "cure" that in fact saves that person's life? Intriguing. |
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 26, 2016 20:39:54 GMT
Maybe it was just implied? I had that impression in the first episode too. But later when he approaches her with the knife, I figured he was looking for something, like the scalp. Very possible that once upon a time 30 years ago, he DID rape her. But if he repeats the same loop with her every single day... I can't wrap my head around it, as far as what he might keep returning for. It's obvious he hasn't found it yet. |
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 26, 2016 20:42:40 GMT
it could be possible that Bernard told Dolores about the maze way earlier, and the MiB is trying to extract THAT information every time he drags her into the barn "are we seeing multiple timelines play out" fascinating thoughts  |
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 26, 2016 22:59:50 GMT
If the MiB isn't raping Dolores, how is she turning up all the time for service if she's uninjured?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 26, 2016 23:08:59 GMT
If the MiB isn't raping Dolores, how is she turning up all the time for service if she's uninjured? It's obvious that other guests are having their way with her, could happen anywhere, even right in town. Or down by the river, etc. She's ultimately set up for the ranch scene for the more violent delights. She could be injured daily in a number of scenarios. I'd say the MiB isn't at the ranch every single night. Also they could come in for service even if uninjured. |
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Post by Ser Duncan on Oct 27, 2016 0:51:31 GMT
Also they could come in for service even if uninjured. That's the impression I got from the first time we see her, nude in the chair. The timing seems to be -- - the MiB visits the ranch; - he does something to Abernathy and it's blamed on his finding the photo; - Abernathy, his wife and Dolores are brought in for servicing; - Bernard notices something in her programming; - Abernathy is decommissioned; - Bernard secretly takes her (Dolores) out of the game at night without anyone's knowledge to adjust her programming several times; - Dolores manages to remember things that take her out of her loop; - Dolores is now on a new narrative with a mysterious guest that can actually be harmed by the hosts. Now that seems all nice and neat, but I suspect that isn't the actual sequence of events. I particularly suspect the timing of the MiB because we see him at the ranch at night in one sequence, and there during the day in another sequence. When Abernathy finds the photo it is on one of the days when Dolores' loop takes her home without being delayed in town. She arrives back at the ranch during the day to find him on the porch taking gibberish holding the photo. We also don't know how many loops it takes Dolores to remember first finding the gun, then planting it in the hay pile. If we look at Thandie's loop, we see she'd remembered the space suit guy several times because of all the drawings she finds, but it doesn't sink in until the day the narrative changes and religion is introduced into the Game. The same day the MiB sets the outlaw free again to return Sweet Water to look in the safe. The outlaw was killed in the first loop we see, but in the MiB's game, he's got him imprisoned instead. That's quite a change. |
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Post by min on Oct 31, 2016 0:06:45 GMT
Episode 4 preview - this looks crazy!
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Of course, what was I thinking?! If the guest can afford to be in the game, that means the 'foundation' is not entirely philanthropic. Now I'm think it may not go that way only because that story line is the same as the film 
