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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jul 17, 2017 4:05:48 GMT
And the hair! The white burns and the little pointy beard, omg. It's even more apparent on the animated versions. I'm sold. I'm cool with Lyanna as mommy, but Jon's dad is not of this world - he's more of the North, however you want to slice that, Great Other, Night King, Overly Tardised Bran. Could I interest you in a tree?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jul 17, 2017 4:08:22 GMT
Could I interest you in a tree? hello yes. speaking of silhouettes, they're doing that with visionBran, Jon and the NK too.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jul 17, 2017 4:11:18 GMT
Well then today is your lucky day! Or, more like next weekend or so. But yeah, I can give you a tree! OK, off to bed - enjoy your rewatch
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jul 17, 2017 12:30:10 GMT
Btw, calling it now...based on findings from Marvel and the Expanded FD essay:
"Ned Umber" in the show will be replaced with Wylla Manderly. Wyman is going to be the great screwer of the Starks in the books.
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Post by cooterian15 on Jul 17, 2017 20:40:43 GMT
Holy Shingles Bran the Freaking Timelord aka the Great Other Dude (God), father of Jon freaking Snow. Of course he would need to be killed by a mysterious blade that is now connected to killing the white walkers/Night King. Which totally Doctor Stranges our pal Petyr. Help me out on this one as I'm not tracking at all. Bran is the father of Jon Snow? A few other notes based upon comments above: 1. The book opened in the secret section of the Citadel looks like planets twirling around suns or such. I've only watched the episode once, but that was my two second view and shoot from the hip guess. 2. I like the idea of Euron bringing a head from a Martell as that fits nicely with the Lannisters needing help shoring up the castle. They are way out numbered. I also like the idea of him possibly bringing in a dragon horn; that would be a nice tie back into the books. Based on the numbers standing I don't see how the Lannisters stand much of a chance at this point. 3. Does Bran crossing back over the wall give the NK the ability to break the magic in the wall like it did when he touched him at the 3EC in last season?
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jul 17, 2017 20:56:31 GMT
Ended up watching the stupid show just to see if there might be some type of announcement afterwards about WOW. The beginning was ok, but it kind of ruins the surprise a bit, when the viewer knows ahead of time that Arya had killed Walder Frey. Perhaps, they should have made the outcome of that encounter a little more ambiguous to create a little more surprise.
The scenes I was looking the most forward to were Sam's scenes, and it ended up being the worst part of the show. It would have given the show runners a way to have informed the viewer a bit as to the history of Westeros, so we don't have to rely on everything being magically shown to Bran, despite the absence of any Weirwoods to see through. Instead we are given innumerable scenes of Sam cleaning up poop and then puking. Way to go guys.
And of course Cersei blows up the Sept of Baelor with Tyrell royalty, and influential religious figures present and there appears to be no repercussions. You would think at this point Jaime would have finally strangled her with his cold gold hand, but they turned his story arc into a complete circle.
I did get one chuckle during the show, however. When Jon and Sansa are having their little spat, Jon admonishes Sansa for comparing him to Joffrey. She then replies, that you are the least like Joffrey of anyone. It made me think of my most recent theory that Jon's parents may very well be Brandon and Lyanna (which would give Jon and Joffrey one very big thing in common). The guy who plays Bran Stark even jokes about it in recent interviews, but both he and the interviewers seem clueless that Lyanna has any brothers other than Ned. (even though, when you think about it, Benjen has been a pretty major player in the series).
I'm glad to see Weasel Pie posting again, I've been trying to slip in your theory about Sam being Aegon in the heresy thread, but I haven't really found anyone willing to run with it. Have you completely given up on the Westeros forum? Speaking of which, you think by now they would anticipate the increase volume of users when the HBO show starts up, but they still can't seem to keep the site from crashing.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jul 17, 2017 21:31:42 GMT
"Speaking of which, you think by now they would anticipate the increase volume of users when the HBO show starts up, but they still can't seem to keep the site from crashing."
proBoards has changed the quoting function of the mobile site and it suuuucks.
Ran swears that they change servers to accommodate the show traffic, but the site has bombed for three years. You'd think the would do something else, like split the board so that book fans can still access the book forums while the show fans crash a separate site. So frustrating.
Btw, who here thinks that Arya's awesome end line was going to be a GRRM chapter closer that has now totally been spoiled?
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jul 17, 2017 22:04:32 GMT
"Speaking of which, you think by now they would anticipate the increase volume of users when the HBO show starts up, but they still can't seem to keep the site from crashing." proBoards has changed the quoting function of the mobile site and it suuuucks. Ran swears that they change servers to accommodate the show traffic, but the site has bombed for three years. You'd think the would do something else, like split the board so that book fans can still access the book forums while the show fans crash a separate site. So frustrating. Btw, who here thinks that Arya's awesome end line was going to be a GRRM chapter closer that has now totally been spoiled? Goes to show how little I pay attention to the show at times. What was her line again?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jul 17, 2017 22:15:15 GMT
"Goes to show how little I pay attention to the show at times. What was her line again?"
"When people ask what happened here today, tell them the North remembers. Tell them that winter came for House Frey."
That sounds very GRRM-ish to me; I wonder if D&D cribbed it (stealing more glory from the books in the process).
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Jul 17, 2017 22:23:08 GMT
The writing is so predictable.As I wrote elsewhere I can skip this entire season and not miss anything.
At this point watching for cool effects.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jul 17, 2017 23:41:48 GMT
Help me out on this one as I'm not tracking at all. Bran is the father of Jon Snow? I'm kicking something like that around. I keep taking Bran out of my (mental) LOJ theory but he keeps sneaking back in. We only have a few "named" supernatural characters, one being the Night King and another being the Great Other. The 3 Eyed Raven is right there in the mix as a character with god-like or supernatural powers. Jon's father IMO needs to be something/someone supernatural to account for all the Jesus imagery (insert long list here), plus he needs to be "more of the North." So I'm great with Jon's father being "God" and that's a very short list of possibilities. But who would care if Jon's father was some unseen character that pops up at the last minute like a literal deus ex machina. While the show has given the Night King center billing (and has constantly paralleled him with both both Jon and Bran in style, stature etc), the book has only given us the "story" of the NK, and the passing mentions of the Great Other. A major event on the show that keeps my coming back to Bran the God as Jon's father goes way back to my Bran the Timelord theory where I said that I thought Bran's mucking around with Time is what caused Hodor to be Hodor, and here we are. That happened. I know alot of what I've said here is tv-show based but... I don't need to tell anyone that I was anti RLJ well before all these developments in the show, and that Lyanna + an Other/Night's King = Jon is close to my heart. I've just taken that to the logical conclusion that the "Other" in question needs to be someone we know for maximum story and shock value. Bran fits the bill across the board, but it obviously needs to be a transformed version of Bran. As discussed in Bran the Timelord, he's going to live his thousand lives and learn how to occupy humans through the weirnet, accounting for several unexplained parts of the story - the Knight of the Laughing Tree for example. So many possibilities for where Bran has interfered in history, not the least of which is all the Brandon Stark's in the history of Westeros. Our Bran could be any of them with ease. Bran has always wanted to be a knight, he's developing a crush on Meera - it's not far fetched for him to eventually want to experience being a whole man, and I think he'll find a way to do that. So my comment here was about how Petyr's dagger looks like the dagger in the tome Sam was researching regarding fighting the Others. And bam - Bran has already been targeted with that dagger. Lots of that aspect ties into Bacon's Marvel series. Glad you asked? lol
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jul 17, 2017 23:46:43 GMT
I've been trying to slip in your theory about Sam being Aegon in the heresy thread, but I haven't really found anyone willing to run with it. Have you completely given up on the Westeros forum? You have no idea how much I'm convinced about that theory, I'm sticking with it. No doubt in my mind that GRRM would insist that Samwise Gamgee should be elevated to his proper hero status, so he's gonna do that with Samwell. I should do a better write up, frankly lost interest in things without new material. At least we've got the show to pick apart now. Good to see you too man
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jul 18, 2017 0:23:00 GMT
1. The book opened in the secret section of the Citadel looks like planets twirling around suns or such. I've only watched the episode once, but that was my two second view and shoot from the hip guess. Interesting. I saw flashes of color in a circle, but couldn't get a handle on what they were. Hey Weasel Pie , maybe it's your Hollow Earth diagram!!!!
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jul 18, 2017 0:29:30 GMT
I'm kicking something like that around. I keep taking Bran out of my (mental) LOJ theory but he keeps sneaking back in. We only have a few "named" supernatural characters, one being the Night King and another being the Great Other. The 3 Eyed Raven is right there in the mix as a character with god-like or supernatural powers. Jon's father IMO needs to be something/someone supernatural to account for all the Jesus imagery (insert long list here), plus he needs to be "more of the North." I think you are going to like my latest Marvel theory a lot.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jul 18, 2017 0:47:29 GMT
I did get one chuckle during the show, however. When Jon and Sansa are having their little spat, Jon admonishes Sansa for comparing him to Joffrey. She then replies, that you are the least like Joffrey of anyone. It made me think of my most recent theory that Jon's parents may very well be Brandon and Lyanna (which would give Jon and Joffrey one very big thing in common). The guy who plays Bran Stark even jokes about it in recent interviews, but both he and the interviewers seem clueless that Lyanna has any brothers other than Ned. Now that I can quick quote again.... The bolded reminds me that I a found an old SSM from George in 2012 that basically confirms Lyanna as Jon's mom: Note that Brandon and Benjen are childless, but Lyanna is just dead. LOL But, that same section also means we have to contend with George's admission that Brandon had no sons. He could be hedging, of course, because there's the other SSM with the caveat that he might have sired a few mutt pups, but it's there to deal with. Really, if we have Starkcest, I think my money would be on Ned.
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