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Post by cooterian15 on Aug 7, 2017 18:25:48 GMT
One of the cave-drawings - need to catch a screenshot - looked very much like this classic hollow-earth diagram. YEESSSSSSSS I saw the same thing and at first thought it was an ouroboros, but YES....it's totally the hollow earth. Need to go back and rewatch those symbols again - I think I have something on the spirals too. My first impression of the spirals was planetary or orbital movements of moons. As they (Jon and Dany) moved to the back of the cave the spirals started looking familiar and were reminiscent of the White Walkers always leaving bodies in patterns, which prompted Mance Rayder to say "always the artists". One more ditto to the Arya and Brianne fighting scene. The way Arya moved reminded me of the younger female student from "Crouching Tiger / Hidden Dragon" who ultimately took her own life by jumping off the mountain (which I'm not advocating Ayra will follow suit on). I'm wondering however, how a skinny girl with one hand could fend off a blow from a two-fisted wielding sword swung by a giantress (Brianne). It did make for great viewing and Ayra looks bad ass with both needle and the dagger. As for our boy Bran it does appear that he did die in the cave, perhaps when he ate the weirwood paste and joined what is now the collective soul/etching of all past greenseers. As for the Valyrian dagger designed to kill him, why couldn't this have been 1000's of years ago instead of 100's. |
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Aug 7, 2017 18:26:14 GMT
I thought I heard both, because I basically got the sense that Tyrion wanted Jaime to flee AND he thought he was being foolish. Jaime was falling quite deep. I hope Bronn is a good swimmer! Can someone explain to me how the hell Bronn catapulted himself into Jaime when Jaime was horseback at full gallop? Did Bronn shoot himself out of his giant crossbow? |
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Aug 7, 2017 18:31:35 GMT
YEESSSSSSSS I saw the same thing and at first thought it was an ouroboros, but YES....it's totally the hollow earth. Need to go back and rewatch those symbols again - I think I have something on the spirals too. My first impression of the spirals was planetary or orbital movements of moons. As they (Jon and Dany) moved to the back of the cave the spirals started looking familiar and were reminiscent of the White Walkers always leaving bodies in patterns, which prompted Mance Rayder to say "always the artists". One more ditto to the Arya and Brianne fighting scene. The way Arya moved reminded me of the younger female student from "Crouching Tiger / Hidden Dragon" who ultimately took her own life by jumping off the mountain (which I'm not advocating Ayra will follow suit on). I'm wondering however, how a skinny girl with one hand could fend off a blow from a two-fisted wielding sword swung by a giantress (Brianne). It did make for great viewing and Ayra looks bad ass with both needle and the dagger.
As for our boy Bran it does appear that he did die in the cave, perhaps when he ate the weirwood paste and joined what is now the collective soul/etching of all past greenseers. As for the Valyrian dagger designed to kill him, why couldn't this have been 1000's of years ago instead of 100's. One of Martin's many homages within the Arya character is most certainly Fritz Leiber's Grey Mouser character, who fought with both a slim sword, "Scalpel", and a dagger called "Cat's Claw". Contrast those to Arya's "Needle" and now the "Catspaw's" dagger. |
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 7, 2017 18:45:27 GMT
Chaos is a laddah referenced a convo between LF and Varys back in S 3 , I believe. You can google it and get the scene. This was bran letting it be known that he knows everything, Jon Snow. Tyrion's line was "you fucking fool"- not nearly so poetic as LOTR, I'm afraid. Oh well a lost opportunity for a cool reference. At least it's better than "you want a good girl but need the bad pussy" line. It is intriguing in a way, because in that conversation LF is waxing Batmannish about climbing that ladder of chaos. His ending line is something to the effect of "that's all that matters; the climb is all there is." Then, we get the cryptic reference from Bran, about whom it can be said that "the climb" - as in, the one up the tower that started this whole thing- really was "all there is". |
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 7, 2017 20:17:11 GMT
I thought I heard both, because I basically got the sense that Tyrion wanted Jaime to flee AND he thought he was being foolish. Jaime was falling quite deep. I hope Bronn is a good swimmer! Can someone explain to me how the hell Bronn catapulted himself into Jaime when Jaime was horseback at full gallop? Did Bronn shoot himself out of his giant crossbow? He did come flying out of nowhere, but I guess he saw Jaime riding that way and leaped from the platform of the crossbow?  |
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 8, 2017 1:39:50 GMT
Can someone explain to me how the hell Bronn catapulted himself into Jaime when Jaime was horseback at full gallop? On a rewatch, I think it was Dickon Tarly who knocked Jaime into the lake, but your question still stands. He also hit him hard enough to send him into the deep. |
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 8, 2017 2:47:57 GMT
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 8, 2017 2:57:05 GMT
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 8, 2017 3:04:14 GMT
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 8, 2017 3:34:51 GMT
LmL is going to get really excited about the third one in the first set of caps. Totally a sword penetrating a moon, and I'm not even a real believer in the theory. Apparently D&D like it, though! lol Here's something I found during my trees research - I took it out because it wasn't really relevant to the essay, but I suppose it fits now... My essay deals with St. Brigid, patroness of all kinds of stuff in Celtic legend that I eventually will get around to posting. Worship of Brigid still goes strong in pagan circles today with the celebration of Imbolc - basically the festival heralding spring. One tradition of this festival is the construction of a Brigid's Cross - when the cross is hung above door or hearth (access points to a home for both human and spirit visitors), it is said to be both a sign of welcome to the goddess and a ward against FIRE. It protects the inhabitants from fire and lightning. A Brigid's Cross:  Variations of Brigid's Cross:  Which of course reminds me of:  The US Native Americaan version of Brigid’s Cross is known as a “God’s Eye”, or Ojo de Dios. (From Wikipedia): A God's eye is a yarn weaving and a spiritual object. The weaving of an Ojo de Dios is an ancient contemplative and spiritual practice for many indigenous peoples in the Americas, and beliefs surrounding them vary with location and history. Some people believe they were originally part of the religion of the Ancient Pueblo Peoples. In many of the Pueblos of New Mexico (WHERE GEORGE IS FROM, Y'ALL) Ojos de Dios have traditionally been created for celebration or blessing. Often they reflect a confidence in all-seeing Providence. The spiritual eye of the Ojo de Dios is thought by some believers to have the power to see and understand things unknown to the physical eye. The Ojo de Dios or God's eye is a ritual tool, magical object, and cultural symbol evoking the weaving motif and its spiritual associations for the Huichol and Tepehuan Indians of western Mexico. The God's Eye is symbolic of the power of seeing and understanding that which is unknown and unknowable, The Mystery. The four points represent the elemental processes: earth, fire, air, and water. In the traditional Huichol ranchos, the nieli'ka or nierika is an important ritual artifact. The term “nierika” is etymologically rooted in the verb “nieriya”, “to see”. Nierika are found in Huichol and Tepehuans' most sacred places: house shrines (xiriki), springs, caves and temples. Some Natives of northwest Mexico and throughout the southwest U.S. had visions during peyote ceremonies. Natives have received guidance from Gods who appeared before them in many shapes, though the eyes of the God was so intense and overwhelming many Natives could only see the eye of the God. Negrín states that: “ The votive nierika is generally a round offering, symbolizing an ancestor and prayer offerings sanctified by the blood of a sacrificed animal.
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Nierika is also referred to as a mirror with two faces; often both sides are covered with yarn designs and the hole in the middle of some forms of nierika is considered a mirror or often a small glass mirror is evident. The nierika is a reciprocal magical conduit or path: the ‘eye’, 'hole' or 'mirror' is the magical portal through which humanity and deity perceive each other.
The nierika, in ritual use, is a face; of the sun, of the earth, of a deer, the wind, the peyote, and the face of the person making the offering. The nierika is also a portalling device that facilitates entry into other states of consciousness or the "spiritual world". For the Huichol there are five directions, each of the cardinal points and the fifth, the central point or “eye” is the spiritual, source of visions, power and enlightenment. A God's Eye/Ojo de Dios:  And then this:  That being said, I don't think D&D are purposely going that deep - IMO they are just pulling some mystical "native peoples" mystical huichol shit and running with it.    |
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 8, 2017 3:47:57 GMT
got a few shot of Jaime charging Dany, and it looks like Bronn to me as the one that pushes Jaime out of the dragonflame. Attachments:
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 8, 2017 3:53:09 GMT
two more Attachments:
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 8, 2017 3:57:12 GMT
LmL is going to get really excited about the third one in the first set of caps. Totally a sword penetrating a moon, and I'm not even a real believer in the theory. Apparently D&D like it, though! lol Here's something I found during my trees research - I took it out because it wasn't really relevant to the essay, but I suppose it fits now... My essay deals with St. Brigid, patroness of all kinds of stuff in Celtic legend that I eventually will get around to posting. Worship of Brigid still goes strong in pagan circles today with the celebration of Imbolc - basically the festival heralding spring. One tradition of this festival is the construction of a Brigid's Cross - when the cross is hung above door or hearth (access points to a home for both human and spirit visitors), it is said to be both a sign of welcome to the goddess and a ward against FIRE. It protects the inhabitants from fire and lightning. A Brigid's Cross: Variations of Brigid's Cross: Which of course reminds me of: The US Native Americaan version of Brigid’s Cross is known as a “God’s Eye”, or Ojo de Dios. (From Wikipedia): A God's eye is a yarn weaving and a spiritual object. The weaving of an Ojo de Dios is an ancient contemplative and spiritual practice for many indigenous peoples in the Americas, and beliefs surrounding them vary with location and history. Some people believe they were originally part of the religion of the Ancient Pueblo Peoples. In many of the Pueblos of New Mexico (WHERE GEORGE IS FROM, Y'ALL) Ojos de Dios have traditionally been created for celebration or blessing. Often they reflect a confidence in all-seeing Providence. The spiritual eye of the Ojo de Dios is thought by some believers to have the power to see and understand things unknown to the physical eye. The Ojo de Dios or God's eye is a ritual tool, magical object, and cultural symbol evoking the weaving motif and its spiritual associations for the Huichol and Tepehuan Indians of western Mexico. The God's Eye is symbolic of the power of seeing and understanding that which is unknown and unknowable, The Mystery. The four points represent the elemental processes: earth, fire, air, and water. In the traditional Huichol ranchos, the nieli'ka or nierika is an important ritual artifact. The term “nierika” is etymologically rooted in the verb “nieriya”, “to see”. Nierika are found in Huichol and Tepehuans' most sacred places: house shrines (xiriki), springs, caves and temples. Some Natives of northwest Mexico and throughout the southwest U.S. had visions during peyote ceremonies. Natives have received guidance from Gods who appeared before them in many shapes, though the eyes of the God was so intense and overwhelming many Natives could only see the eye of the God. Negrín states that: “ The votive nierika is generally a round offering, symbolizing an ancestor and prayer offerings sanctified by the blood of a sacrificed animal.
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Nierika is also referred to as a mirror with two faces; often both sides are covered with yarn designs and the hole in the middle of some forms of nierika is considered a mirror or often a small glass mirror is evident. The nierika is a reciprocal magical conduit or path: the ‘eye’, 'hole' or 'mirror' is the magical portal through which humanity and deity perceive each other.
The nierika, in ritual use, is a face; of the sun, of the earth, of a deer, the wind, the peyote, and the face of the person making the offering. The nierika is also a portalling device that facilitates entry into other states of consciousness or the "spiritual world". For the Huichol there are five directions, each of the cardinal points and the fifth, the central point or “eye” is the spiritual, source of visions, power and enlightenment. A God's Eye/Ojo de Dios: And then this: That being said, I don't think D&D are purposely going that deep - IMO they are just pulling some mystical "native peoples" mystical huichol shit and running with it. The spiral may be meant to imply the snake or ouroboros...the wheel of time. |
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Aug 8, 2017 17:44:56 GMT
I thought I heard both, because I basically got the sense that Tyrion wanted Jaime to flee AND he thought he was being foolish. Jaime was falling quite deep. I hope Bronn is a good swimmer! Can someone explain to me how the hell Bronn catapulted himself into Jaime when Jaime was horseback at full gallop? Did Bronn shoot himself out of his giant crossbow? Man we just have to go with it.Look at the crazy "shiza"side ways. |
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 9, 2017 13:32:43 GMT
Noticed on a rewatch - how Sansa told Arya that Jon's heart would stop when he sees her again, and Littlefinger saying he would have stopped Bran from being killed with his own heart.
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