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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 15, 2017 0:51:40 GMT
Oh, and perhaps it's because I have young children, but the whole Jon & Drogon "bonding" scene was totally Benioff has young children too, so I'm sure this is where he got the big idea - channel some Hiccup and Toothless for the fandom.
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Post by cooterian15 on Aug 15, 2017 1:55:21 GMT
Not sure how I missed this the first time through but Jon and his "12 companions" are what leaves the wall at Eastwatch. Obviously a call out to the Last Hero during the 1st Long Night.
Question: during the second viewing tonight I don't seem to pick up on what Dany's request is to Cersei. Tyrion alludes to Jamie and Jamie suggests something to Cersei....but did we actually here what the request from Dany is?
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 15, 2017 3:26:15 GMT
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Aug 15, 2017 14:13:47 GMT
Seeing that there is one more season, maybe they'll hand us RLJ, then take it away as a cliffhanger? Or will we be subjected to a whole season of this next year? I think the latter. All spoilers indicate that we will get full-bore RLJ in the last episode. The reveal sounds ridiculous and I am hoping against all hope that the leaks are faker than hell, but... If they ARE true, though, I will be 100% convinced that my theory is right and this is all D&D's shitshow - no George involved. (Yes, the leaked ending is that bad.) Yea, I broke down and looked up the spoilers, and the whole thing (not just the RLJ) was completely ludicrous. I mean comically bad.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Aug 15, 2017 14:16:47 GMT
If the episode 7 spoiler I read was correct (shudder) then I do find it suspicious that they chose now to reveal the big surprise. You would think they would have waited until sometime in the final season. Which makes me think that in their own ham handed way, they are convincing us of Rhaegar, and plan on a surprise swerve in the last season. Of course knowing the show, I'm sure they'll muck it up regardless. On the main forum even the RLJ disciples don't seem particularly pleased how the show is "confirming" their gospel.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Aug 15, 2017 21:35:14 GMT
Other than the scenery.Guys,this was bad.I was joking,I mean joking...Not really about the entire point of Sam being at the Citadel is to find a moldy parchment proving Jon as a lost Targ heir.
They scraped the barrel for this and yet the puppet gallery will foam at the mouth.Its so ridiculous and so evident how insignificant Rhaegar is to anyone but Dany.
He has no relevance to Jon at all.Other than book readers,show only people have no idea who Rhaegar is.Even in the books he has no impact other than being a guy who some people worshiped and who some guys and girls wanted to get into bed with.
We as readers really know nothing about Rhaegar other than what some thought.So I am confused that some want him to be Jon's father so bad.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 16, 2017 0:59:49 GMT
Just a note on Sam being set up as Rhaegar's son: he makes a remark to Gilly about being tired of reading about the accomplishments of better man. Sounds a bit like how young Rhaegar is described when he gives up books for learning how to be a warrior. Not sure how I missed this the first time through but Jon and his "12 companions" are what leaves the wall at Eastwatch. Obviously a call out to the Last Hero during the 1st Long Night. great catch! did we actually here what the request from Dany is? I thought it was something like... a cease fire until Tyrion returns with proof of the white walkers? Is it possible that the show is providing fake clues as a way to setup the tv audience to begin thinking Jon may be a Targaryen only to surprise viewers with a totally different father? I'm praying for this! Obvs I think this is exactly what GRRM has been doing anyway. they are convincing us of Rhaegar, and plan on a surprise swerve in the last season. fingers crossed He has no relevance to Jon at all.Other than book readers,show only people have no idea who Rhaegar is. Yet another reason I think we're being set up.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 16, 2017 2:58:27 GMT
Yea, I broke down and looked up the spoilers, and the whole thing (not just the RLJ) was completely ludicrous. I mean comically bad. And I'm growing more and more certain that it's going to happen, that spoilers are legit. The guy that has been giving episodes pre-caps this year has been 99% dead to rights 5 out of 5, and he has now laid out the entirety of E7 in detail so I'm thinking it will unfold exactly as spoiled. So, so bad. Based on that, if there is a swerve next season, viewers are going to be completely confused - not surprised, not shocked, but confused - because of the way things are being laid out in E7. Also, just watched some screengrabs of leaked E6 episode - previous leaks confirmed thus far. OMG guys, HBO has just ruined this story. Ruined.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 16, 2017 3:00:48 GMT
Link please so that I may commiserate with you all?
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Aug 16, 2017 11:01:46 GMT
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Aug 16, 2017 11:15:42 GMT
Yea, I broke down and looked up the spoilers, and the whole thing (not just the RLJ) was completely ludicrous. I mean comically bad. And I'm growing more and more certain that it's going to happen, that spoilers are legit. The guy that has been giving episodes pre-caps this year has been 99% dead to rights 5 out of 5, and he has now laid out the entirety of E7 in detail so I'm thinking it will unfold exactly as spoiled. So, so bad. Based on that, if there is a swerve next season, viewers are going to be completely confused - not surprised, not shocked, but confused - because of the way things are being laid out in E7. Also, just watched some screengrabs of leaked E6 episode - previous leaks confirmed thus far. OMG guys, HBO has just ruined this story. Ruined. The problem is the show has basically ignored the back story up until now. People who just watch the show have no idea who Rhaegar, Brandon, or Lyanna are. So it seems like the show is rushing to catch up, and they are doing it in their usual ham handed way. George has planted the idea of R L J less subtly than most of his subtext (which is one of the reasons I'm so suspicious of it). But he's at least done it subtly enough that the average book reader still pats himself or herself on the back for figuring it out. The show is putting forth this possibility as subtly as they treated the Loras Renly relationship, or Theron's castration. They just can't do subtle and ambiguous, which for a show adapting ASOIAF is an inherent problem. So whether or not the show's version of R L J turns out to be a misdirection (and the fact that it seems like they are going to reveal it this early makes me think it is) they are going to screw it up so badly, everyone is going to be confused by it.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Aug 16, 2017 11:39:48 GMT
Other than the scenery.Guys,this was bad.I was joking,I mean joking...Not really about the entire point of Sam being at the Citadel is to find a moldy parchment proving Jon as a lost Targ heir. They scraped the barrel for this and yet the puppet gallery will foam at the mouth.Its so ridiculous and so evident how insignificant Rhaegar is to anyone but Dany. He has no relevance to Jon at all.Other than book readers,show only people have no idea who Rhaegar is.Even in the books he has no impact other than being a guy who some people worshiped and who some guys and girls wanted to get into bed with. We as readers really know nothing about Rhaegar other than what some thought.So I am confused that some want him to be Jon's father so bad.I think it's because it so easily fits into the fantasy trope that everyone is so familiar and comfortable with. Despite the fact that it goes against the main core of the series, many readers seem to think that the Iron Throne is the ultimate end game, and Jon needs some type of pretextual birthright to claim it. That, or they just really, really, want to see Jon riding a dragon . Another possibility is that the readers are more comfortable with the Andal culture of South Westeros which is influenced by more popular mythology such as the Arthurian tales and Greek mythology. This is despite the fact that Jon's entire storyline is contained in the First Man/northern aspects of ASOIAf, which is influenced by the lesser known, and frankly stranger, Norse Celtic and Slavic mythologies.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 16, 2017 13:51:52 GMT
I have not sought out or read any spoilers for the rest of the season, so if you guys can use spoiler tags for anything that is not for the Eastwatch episode, I'd appreciate it. I think it's because it so easily fits into the fantasy trope that everyone is so familiar and comfortable with. BAM. This is also a reason I was suspicious of RLJ from the start. All that work and all those books for the "handsome secret legitimate prince who falls in love with the beautiful princess" trope? Was his only twist to make it all incesty? Even Parris is quoted as saying George doesn't do predictable - or something like that.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 16, 2017 15:03:29 GMT
I have not sought out or read any spoilers for the rest of the season, so if you guys can use spoiler tags for anything that is not for the Eastwatch episode, I'd appreciate it. No worries, I am not planning to disclose any content beyond saying that it's atrocious. Another possibility is that the readers are more comfortable with the Andal culture of South Westeros which is influenced by more popular mythology such as the Arthurian tales and Greek mythology. This is despite the fact that Jon's entire storyline is contained in the First Man/northern aspects of ASOIAf, which is influenced by the lesser known, and frankly stranger, Norse Celtic and Slavic mythologies. Not just readers, but HBO and the viewership too. I think this is why we are getting "Game of Thrones" and not the full ASOIAF story. Ignoring the North legend and lore in favor of the post-Targaryen era stuff is a huge mistake, really, given the success of "Vikings" and other shows that have embraced those more obscure mythologies.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Aug 16, 2017 21:36:58 GMT
I wish I never read this.This is beyond awful.But sadly 98% will love it.
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