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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 29, 2017 0:17:44 GMT
"Parris!! It's the big one! This is it!! I'm coming to you, baby!!"
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 29, 2017 0:50:09 GMT
Read this story online today.... linkIt's a Reddit theory so take it with a grain, but it did make me think about the HotU vision. I personally like the notion that Dany has in fact experienced only one betrayal so far in the series, the treason for blood....so if Tyrion were to be the one to betray Dany next and do so for the sake of his Lannister family, then that could be the treason for gold. You know, Lannister gold. And if something goes down with Jon and Dany that has to do with Targaryen parentage (flip a coin at this point on that, I seriously don't even know anymore) and the two end up in a squabble or on opposite sides of the field because of it, perhaps that will be the treason for love. I dunno, just an idea that struck me.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 29, 2017 1:55:26 GMT
Read this story online today.... linkIt's a Reddit theory so take it with a grain, but it did make me think about the HotU vision. I personally like the notion that Dany has in fact experienced only one betrayal so far in the series, the treason for blood....so if Tyrion were to be the one to betray Dany next and do so for the sake of his Lannister family, then that could be the treason for gold. You know, Lannister gold. And if something goes down with Jon and Dany that has to do with Targaryen parentage (flip a coin at this point on that, I seriously don't even know anymore) and the two end up in a squabble or on opposite sides of the field Rory because of it, perhaps that will be the treason for love. I dunno, just an idea that struck me. It's a good theory, but what kind of deal did Tyrion make?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 29, 2017 3:44:17 GMT
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 29, 2017 4:17:57 GMT
I figured out the obvious scenario that fits the 1993 letter, how it's hinted that the obstacle between Jon and Arya's love ends once he finds out his true parentage. In fact, it's the first theory I came up with long ago.
Jon could be the real Aegon VI - son of Rhaegar and Elia. "I am not a Stark." He does give Theon that big speech about Theon being a Stark.
That could be the route they're taking on the show. We don't have the same timeline restrictions etc. At least it would be an interesting twist.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 29, 2017 13:49:32 GMT
Jon could be the real Aegon VI - son of Rhaegar and Elia. "I am not a Stark." Maybe in the show....although I think they would be basically eliminating Elia as a mother of Rhaegar's children entirely and replacing her with Lyanna. It's a perfectly fine explanation for the Show-Only crowd who aren't all that aware that Book!Rhaegar had another son named Aegon with his first wife. It's like D&D are blending all of Rhaegar's supposed romantic relationships and FAegon into a single Jon Show character. Very odd. In the books, I still don't see it even with some timeline corrections, because of the physical feature impasse....Jon looks like a Stark. Ergo, he's got Stark blood somewhere. Now maybe that really IS the direction that GRRM is going with it - that Rhaegar's firstborn son supposedly by Elia Martell is really his child with surrogate Lyanna Stark, but damn...that will be a hard sell all around. The timeline could work - it would make Jon a Harrenhal baby and fits with the supposed age of RAegon at the time of his death at the Sack - but yeah....George has some major explaining to do in the final books to make that happen. I'm sure it could be believable and a good twist, but first we have to actually GET it.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 29, 2017 14:34:02 GMT
In the books, I still don't see it even with some timeline corrections, because of the physical feature impasse....Jon looks like a Stark. Yes, stuff I say in the show threads is about the show, not the books. Agreed, which is why I gave up that one, though I still believe the real Aegon will appear in the books - and it's not Young Griff. In the show, we have that ridiculous "you don't look like your father" line from Beric. And they've shown that Bran doesn't know everything, he's still piecing it together. We don't know if Lyanna gave birth to that baby, we don't know if there was another baby, etc. Eh who knows.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 29, 2017 17:16:21 GMT
And they've shown that Bran doesn't know everything, he's still piecing it together. One minute he knows everything and the next he asks Sam, "are you sure?"
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Aug 29, 2017 18:41:53 GMT
Hahaha...This just won the internet.Hilarious.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 29, 2017 19:13:13 GMT
Hahaha...This just won the internet.Hilarious. I'm still laughing! Gods, I am such a child.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 29, 2017 19:21:26 GMT
And they've shown that Bran doesn't know everything, he's still piecing it together. One minute he knows everything and the next he asks Sam, "are you sure?" Yeah, this is throwing me. Either GRRM wrote this as Bran pulling a Melisandre and misinterpreting what he sees (because he is still new to his weir-powers or too young to fully understand all the things) and D&D spectacularly failed to convey that, OR D&D just simply don't give a shit about logic or continuity and this is just bad show storytelling. I'm infuriated that o don't know/can't tell which is correct for this reveal.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Aug 29, 2017 20:28:14 GMT
One minute he knows everything and the next he asks Sam, "are you sure?" Yeah, this is throwing me. Either GRRM wrote this as Bran pulling a Melisandre and misinterpreting what he sees (because he is still new to his weir-powers or too young to fully understand all the things) and D&D spectacularly failed to convey that, OR D&D just simply don't give a shit about logic or continuity and this is just bad show storytelling. I'm infuriated that o don't know/can't tell which is correct for this reveal. If we go with the books its more correct.Remember, Bloodraven said what they see through the weirwoods are glimpses and flashes.Unlike the trees that experience past,present and future in a moment.They are tossed between past and present. So Bran can be wrong if he analyses the flashes and glimpses wrong.However,that is not what happened.We got an entire ceremony with Lyanna And Rhaegar.They were in looooove.Annnnnnd Sam chimes in with an annulment. I heard a rumor second hand and this is making its rounds on the internet.Supposedly,when the NK touched Bran he became able to hack him and feed him wrong visions.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Aug 29, 2017 21:20:28 GMT
A virus introduced into the root program - literally - that corrupts the data. Nice.
Heh. George must have lost some really important documents at some point in his past, because he sure does have a fundamental hate for Windows. Lol
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 29, 2017 21:42:06 GMT
Imagine the very worst motive/scenario, then work backwards to see if that fits the events that occurred...
I think we're supposed to be playing a little game and assuming the worst. Maybe D&D aren't as stupid as they seem.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Aug 29, 2017 22:06:40 GMT
The other possibility, I suppose, is that there were more than one baby at the tower of joy. The baby that Lyanna gave birth to, who we don't see in the vision, and the baby Aegon that was first handed to Ned.
The woman who handed him to Ned did look very Dornish, I suppose. And there was one other woman present, who we never get a good look at. Could the Rhaegar Lyanna marriage be some type of intential misdirection on their part? Was it an attempt to try and somehow protect his children with Elia by taking them out of the succession?
Unfortunately, it seems every time I hold out hope that there is going to be a cool twist in this show, I become disappointed.
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