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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Feb 9, 2018 3:25:57 GMT
The ritual prostitution thing is going to be really something, methinks.
Also, now eyeballing Bran as serving in the role of archangel Michael, which should invoke some fond memories in all the Catholics. lol
ETA: Michael is the protector of "God's chosen people", the Israelites...which, if you go back to that thread I posted about Daniel, there's a blurb about said chosen people interpreting the prophecies of Daniel as finally reclaiming their land that was stolen from them. Very CotF vibe there, and Michael as God's right hand angel is their biggest advocate.
Interesting stuff. George was obviously more affected by parochial school and boring Mass than he lets on!
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Post by Weasel Pie on Feb 9, 2018 3:46:42 GMT
Random dump of head-clutter I'm trying to make sense of. Not meant to derail, just drawing in some other thoughts from other threads.
Back when I was researching the wunderblumes and schlusselblumes (surmising from those stories that the blue flowers acted like keys to pass through the wards of the Wall) in Teutonic mythology, I remember a few other things that tie in here.
That to stop a plague, the advice was to bury children alive as a sacrifice, and to use those sacrificed bodies buried under the cornerstone of a new building - exactly the same we we just talked about the sacrifices to Baal.
And back to the flowers, since we can't talk about Bael without the flowers, it was the custom to plant/harvest healing herbs over the graves of either sacrificed innocents or holy men. I'll draw your attention to the WHITE roses growing nonsensically in the almost permafrost north of the wall, very near to where the Others visited Craster's Keep with regularity.
(also that I surmise in Jaime's dream of a blue sword, the sword is blue because of Other blood)
aaand conclusion being that Other blood makes the roses blue, and this infusion is what gives the roses anti-warding power.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Feb 9, 2018 3:53:20 GMT
One more thing before my cold meds kick in:
There's a mirror to the Celestial Madonna Marvel arc here too - 1) the prophesized child is NOT the offspring of the dragon/beast/being trying to attack and carry off the mother/maiden/Madonna here. The evil overlord WANTS to claim the child as his own, and certainly tries to make that happen, but fails. 2) the prophesized child is, in fact, a child of "God" - now WHICH god is open to interpretation, I guess, but as we're talking about upthread, not. human. Or, spawned by magic. 3) the Madonna is attacked by the evil overlord, who attempts to capture her. However, she is rescued via intervention of "God" and taken to a safe place to live out the rest of her days in some kind of divine limbo/otherworld.
So basically we have multiple inspirational storylines here all saying the same thing: Jon is not Rhaegar's kid. He's Lyanna's son, with some godly magic stuff mixed in.
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Post by Melifeather on Feb 9, 2018 11:43:38 GMT
Jehovah's Witnesses identify Babylon the Great as "religion", and the descriptions of the four beasts as nations, rather superpowers. I can't remember how each matched up, but the bear of course was Russia. Babylon was a harlot, because she prostituted herself by entwining religion with government. The seven crowns are the United Nations...I don't know why the JW's viewed the UN as bad, but they do. This caught my eye: " two wings of a great eagle" are given to her to escape It made me think of the Eyrie and their tale of the Winged Knight and his great falcon. It sits atop the Giant's Lance in the Mountains of the Moon, the base of which is called the Gates of the Moon. Andal king Artys I Arryn constructed the Gates of the Moon at the foot of the Giant's Lance, where he had defeated Robar II Royce's army of First Men in the Battle of the Seven Stars.
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Post by Melifeather on Feb 9, 2018 11:54:32 GMT
Jon is not Rhaegar's kid. He's Lyanna's son, with some godly magic stuff mixed in I agree Jon is not Rhaegar's son, but some days I even wonder if he's not Lyanna's son either. He's the mirrored inversion of Melisandre's shadowbaby, but somehow in human form. If we think back on the dead mother direwolf and her pups, we suspect that the albino pup might have a different father - however, if you apply this to Jon, he has a different mother, but readers suspect Ned isn't his father either, so does this mean the albino pup not only has a different father from his pup mates, but a different mother too? Was he dropped into the litter by the old gods, planted like a cuckoo bird into the nest? Jon noted that Ghost belonged to the old gods. It makes me wonder if Ned's fever dream was repeatedly sent over the years to make Ned believe Jon was Lyanna's son? Mel's shadowbaby was a part of Stannis. Who's life was Jon drawn from? Maybe it was Ned if Wylla was an ice priestess and got Ned to have sex with her like Mel did with Stannis and like she offered to Davos? Was Wylla a priestess like Melisandre? I gotta go back and read the dialog between Mel and Davos.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Feb 9, 2018 13:38:33 GMT
he has a different motherAt the risk of being accused of lunacy, I've recently honed in on the idea that Jon is Rhaego - an alternate reality to my Otherbaby obsession. Aegon and Rhaego - the most hyped children in the history of I&F. The Prince that was Promised vs the Stallion who Mounts the World. You know I think Aegon lived (and is Sam) but I think Rhaego lives too. Fetus-swapping through time. Could be the reason Dany's dragon-baby was dead for years. We've touched on this elsewhere, especially Some Pig No Doubt's thread about Rhaegar being obsessed with breeding an actual dragon via a human. Technically could be a virgin birth for Lyanna, to have Jon installed in her womb? MMR conjures the wolf and the dragon for her ritual, could the dragon-fetus be none of than Rhaella as sister-wife or mother-wife? This probably should go somewhere else but I'm honing in on the virgin birth/madonna angle and this is an alternative to GOd (Great Other) the Father.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Feb 9, 2018 14:05:22 GMT
Yeah, no offense guys, you know I love tinfoil, but I really would like to keep this thread dedicated to the progeny of the old gods and a daughter of Winterfell. I’m cool with Lyanna as a sacred vessel but I don’t want to go too off the rails with maternity here. Tia
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Post by Melifeather on Feb 9, 2018 14:59:29 GMT
Yeah, no offense guys, you know I love tinfoil, but I really would like to keep this thread dedicated to the progeny of the old gods and a daughter of Winterfell. I’m cool with Lyanna as a sacred vessel but I don’t want to go too off the rails with maternity here. Tia Understood, but we are walking a thin blade here. I thought we were going off the assumption that Bael was inhuman? This is what's tying him to the Otherbaby ideas and why Weasel and I were bringing these ideas here.
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Post by Melifeather on Feb 9, 2018 15:55:05 GMT
Maybe I'm looking at the shadowbaby thing wrong? If the shadowbaby had a human father and an inhuman mother, then Jon is likely the reverse of that with a human mother and an inhuman father.
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Post by Melifeather on Feb 10, 2018 16:58:14 GMT
The point that Some Pig brought up that Bael isn't human has been percolating in my brain, and I'm now wondering if "Bael" isn't so much a singular being or an entity, but rather the various disguises characters have used in order to make a maiden disappear from a castle? We are provided the details of how a maiden disappears from a castle in the Bael the Bard story, which is then repeated throughout in various situations. A Bael gains entrance to the castle under disguise. In the original story he's a singer. In each Bael kidnapping we get additional details.
Petyr BAELish, who's sigil is a mockingbird - a bird that sings the songs of other birds, helped Sansa (who is herself a little bird) escape the Red Keep by first providing the hairnet with purple gems to poison Joffrey, then used the ensuing commotion to slip away to meet "the knight" Ser Dontos. Ser Dontos led Sansa down to Petyr's waiting ship, The Merling King, and sailed to the Vale where she assumed the identity of Petyr's daughter Alayne. Petyr has Ser Dontos killed and pushed overboard.
Yoren, a Man of the Nights Watch, played Bael when he snuck Arya out of the Red Keep. Our clue that he's Bael is his connection to Mance who was once a Man of the Nights Watch, and is currently pretending to be a singer named Abel. Before Arya goes into hiding she is at her fencing lessons with Syrio Forel - Arya's "knight" - who tries to protect her, but is killed. The deadly distraction that helped cover Arya's escape was her own father's execution.
Arrianne could be said to be a Bael-type character, because she convinced a knight, Ser Arys, to sneak Myrcella out of Sunspear. Ser Arys put one of his men in his (Arys's) armor and had him stand guard over "Myrcella" who was actually her handmaiden, Rosamund. They keep the maester away by telling him that Myrcella has red spots. Ser Arys brought Myrcella on horseback to a meeting place by a well. Myrcella is attacked by Gerold Dayne, and Ser Arys is killed by Areo Hotah.
In Lyanna's case, "Bael" is Cersei and Tywin, because they plotted her disappearance. The "knight" they used and killed was Rhaegar, only at the time of the disappearance Rhaegar wasn't there. He was "down south", so just like Ser Arys they dressed a man in similar black armor so if anyone saw the abduction they would believe it was Rhaegar. There would also need to be a "deadly" distraction to cover the escape like the hairnet that caused Joffrey's death or the red spots that would have been deadly to the maester, and might I point out that we do have a missing Maester Walys...
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Post by min on Feb 12, 2018 10:05:30 GMT
Interesting stuff. George was obviously more affected by parochial school and boring Mass than he lets on! I agree!
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