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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 1:40:09 GMT
Are there any indications that warding is going on in Winterfell? Besides sections of the crypts I mean.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Mar 17, 2016 17:51:23 GMT
Are there any indications that warding is going on in Winterfell? Besides sections of the crypts I mean. I'm not too sure on this reference, because I don't have the books on me to double check, but at one point the direwolves, Summer and Shaggy Dog get confined to the Godswood. How can they be confined or contained there if the Godswoods, the heart of the place, links to the rest of Winterfell?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 22:39:52 GMT
Are there any indications that warding is going on in Winterfell? Besides sections of the crypts I mean. I'm not too sure on this reference, because I don't have the books on me to double check, but at one point the direwolves, Summer and Shaggy Dog get confined to the Godswood. How can they be confined or contained there if the Godswoods, the heart of the place, links to the rest of Winterfell? I think the Godswoods is partially blocked off. Though I don't know about that pool... Weasel Pie may have a theory or two about a potential tunnel connection!
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 17, 2016 22:46:21 GMT
Are there any indications that warding is going on in Winterfell? Bronze was a metal of the First Men that may have had magical properties as evidenced by the layering of iron over the top of it. The crown of the Kings of Winter, for example is a bronze circlet surrounded by iron swords. If that symbolism doesn't speak "warding", I don't know what else does! The Royce's have a bronze and iron armor, the description I'm too lazy to look up now, but same as above. I think their House may have had a part in warding some First Men and thus wear their victory symbolically with their special armor. And, we've read about horns with bronze on them with ruins inscribed in the metal. Likely magical spells.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 17, 2016 22:47:53 GMT
. Weasel Pie may have a theory or two about a potential tunnel connection! Or ten!
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 18, 2016 0:44:16 GMT
The Royce's have a bronze and iron armor, the description I'm too lazy to look up now, but same as above. I think their House may have had a part in warding some First Men and thus wear their victory symbolically with their special armo Yohn Royce's sons have steel armor with bronze runes on them. The same runes as the Yohn's. Yohn, "His armor is bronze, thousands and thousands of years old, engraved with magic runes that ward him against harm."
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Post by jnr on Mar 18, 2016 0:47:51 GMT
Yohn, "His armor is bronze, thousands and thousands of years old, engraved with magic runes that ward him against harm." The Royce men are also warded against physically changing in any way... which is why, after thousands of years, the bronze armor still fits them.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 18, 2016 0:52:02 GMT
Yohn, "His armor is bronze, thousands and thousands of years old, engraved with magic runes that ward him against harm." The Royce men are also warded against physically changing in any way... which is why, after thousands of years, the bronze armor still fits them. Hah. And Yohn is as tall as Sandor. Too bad poor Waymar didn't have runic armor for his journey beyond the Wall.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 18, 2016 1:29:15 GMT
There are two areas that are unusual in that the direwolves acted strangely. At the Fist, Ghost would not enter.
Then we've got this scene in ASOS Cat V with Robb and Cat
This scene is usually mentioned as significant because it's when Robb talks about making Jon his heir. There are runes carved on the hammer on the sepulchre. This always struck me as similar to the iron swords on the laps of the Kings of Winter.
But what always struck me is how strangely Grey Wind acted during this exchange. It's just... weird. Why leap atop the tomb and bare his teeth?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 1:32:36 GMT
There are two areas that are unusual in that the direwolves acted strangely. At the Fist, Ghost would not enter. Then we've got this scene in ASOS Cat V with Robb and Cat This scene is usually mentioned as significant because it's when Robb talks about making Jon his heir. There are runes carved on the hammer on the sepulchre. This always struck me as similar to the iron swords on the laps of the Kings of Winter. But what always struck me is how strangely Grey Wind acted during this exchange. It's just... weird. Why leap atop the tomb and bare his teeth? For Grey Wind I wonder if he was just acting as a true reflection of Robb's anger.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 18, 2016 1:34:58 GMT
There are two areas that are unusual in that the direwolves acted strangely. At the Fist, Ghost would not enter. Then we've got this scene in ASOS Cat V with Robb and Cat This scene is usually mentioned as significant because it's when Robb talks about making Jon his heir. There are runes carved on the hammer on the sepulchre. This always struck me as similar to the iron swords on the laps of the Kings of Winter. But what always struck me is how strangely Grey Wind acted during this exchange. It's just... weird. Why leap atop the tomb and bare his teeth? For Grey Wind I wonder if he was just acting as a true reflection of Robb's anger. no doubt! but the whole set up for that scene was obvs planned out by GRRM. Why there? Why jump on the tomb? Why that place and that moment and that conversation to highlight Grey Wind and Robb being of a mind? And sorry I realize that part probably has nothing to do with warding. Or does it? ETA remember the Lords Stark have swords and direwolves. Poor old Tristifer only has his hammer. Until Grey Wind jumps up, that is.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 18, 2016 1:41:25 GMT
Damnit. I figured it out.
The direwolves protect the Starks from the likes of Jon. Grey Wind is saying "Let Jon try to harm a son of yours! I will protect!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 1:42:48 GMT
For Grey Wind I wonder if he was just acting as a true reflection of Robb's anger. no doubt! but the whole set up for that scene was obvs planned out by GRRM. Why there? Why jump on the tomb? Why that place and that moment and that conversation to highlight Grey Wind and Robb being of a mind? And sorry I realize that part probably has nothing to do with warding. Or does it? ETA remember the Lords Stark have swords and direwolves. Poor old Tristifer only has his hammer. Until Grey Wind jumps up, that is. I think you are onto something here. I too wonder if being physically on top of the tomb has its own significance. What does it normally symbolize in society when you are on top of someone else's tomb? Domination maybe? Or what you referenced in terms of the Starks having the wolves and the power of warging.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 1:44:34 GMT
Damnit. I figured it out. The direwolves protect the Starks from the likes of Jon. Grey Wind is saying "Let Jon try to harm a son of yours! I will protect!" That could also be the case yes.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Mar 18, 2016 1:51:10 GMT
think you are onto something here. I too wonder if being physically on top of the tomb has its own significance. What does it normally symbolize in society when you are on top of someone else's tomb? Domination maybe? Or what you referenced in terms of the Starks having the wolves and the power of warging. Apropos to your OP - the iron swords on the laps of the effigies of the Lords of Winterfell in the crypts is obviously warding. But they also have direwolves. What if the direwolves are also part of the warding? Possibly wherever the Starks go, even when they're alive?
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