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Post by min on May 3, 2016 3:15:47 GMT
Thank you! Given the spoilery bit for episode 3 Tormund telling Jon Snow that the wildlings think he's a god ; I wondered about the reference to cold gods in the books. I vaguely remembered it. So coincidently; it's Gilly using the term in conversation with Jon. Gilly and Sam being the only living people besides Bran and company who have actually met Coldhands. Well, well. I realize this is the show; but will Jon be implacable and cruel as the coldhanded cold god?
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Post by min on May 4, 2016 18:11:56 GMT
I really lose track of who said what and where sometimes. Did someone mention "born with the dead" on a thread here? This link is interesting if we are talking about Jon Snow. firstborn sons came across this bit in GoT Bran I: They find the direwolf pups: His father tossed the antler to the side and cleansed his hands in the snow. "I'm surprised she lived long enough to whelp," he said. His voice broke the spell.
"Maybe she didn't," Jory said. "I've heard tales ... maybe the bitch was already dead when the pups came."
"Born with the dead," another man put it. "Worse luck."
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 5, 2016 0:14:54 GMT
I really lose track of who said what and where sometimes. Did someone mention "born with the dead" on a thread here? This link is interesting if we are talking about Jon Snow. firstborn sons came across this bit in GoT Bran I: They find the direwolf pups: His father tossed the antler to the side and cleansed his hands in the snow. "I'm surprised she lived long enough to whelp," he said. His voice broke the spell.
"Maybe she didn't," Jory said. "I've heard tales ... maybe the bitch was already dead when the pups came."
"Born with the dead," another man put it. "Worse luck."
Yeah, in Weasel Pie's LOJ thread it is being discussed.
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Post by snowfyre on May 6, 2016 12:43:37 GMT
Small Question: How and why did the Trident alter course, 70 years prior to the current story?
(This is a small mystery that's always bothered me. Seems like it ought to have some narrative significance... I'm just not sure quite what that could be.)
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 8, 2016 5:36:13 GMT
Small Question: How and why did the Trident alter course, 70 years prior to the current story? (This is a small mystery that's always bothered me. Seems like it ought to have some narrative significance... I'm just not sure quite what that could be.) Huh, I had completely forgotten about that (in fact much of AFFC seems to slip from my memory). My guess is he was setting up a possible future mystery adventure for the dynamic duo, Dunk and Egg.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 12, 2016 2:22:11 GMT
This is another crackpot-what-if... I was reading Melifeather essay about Victarion, when a thought/question occured to me. The kinslaying stretches across all the Westeros societies and 'religion.' Why is that? Where did it originate? Thinking on the Seventh side of the matter, there is the Stranger. One of the family but further removed than the rest. Was the origin of the Stranger someone who was murdered by family and came back to 'life'? The Stranger can be seen in multiple sources: the Others, the many-faced god, Dany's life with the Dothraki, Bloddraven, etc. ETC! Ramblin'
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Post by Melifeather on May 12, 2016 2:41:24 GMT
This is another crackpot-what-if... I was reading Melifeather essay about Victarion, when a thought/question occured to me. The kinslaying stretches across all the Westeros societies and 'religion.' Why is that? Where did it originate? Thinking on the Seventh side of the matter, there is the Stranger. One of the family but further removed than the rest. Was the origin of the Stranger someone who was murdered by family and came back to 'life'? The Stranger can be seen in multiple sources: the Others, the many-faced god, Dany's life with the Dothraki, Bloddraven, etc. ETC! Ramblin' I think a lot of the story lines are repeats recycled through time, just like the kidnapped daughter. That one goes back to Elenei, daughter of the god of the sea and goddess of the wind. They've been pissed off ever since.
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Post by min on May 13, 2016 12:34:17 GMT
Jon says that according to Maester Luwin, bastards grow up faster than their siblings. What do you think this means?
Does it mean that bastards have a harder lot in life and mature faster? Or is GRRM being coy and suggesting that a bastard's true age might be something other than what has been given out as canon, especially when secrets and misdirection are in play. Obfuscating birth order perhaps. Is it Maester Luwin's response to the question of an infant physically developing faster than a given age would suggest is normal? Something that most women would know about child development and notice?
Bran says that Jon and Rob are of an age. Meaning that they are close in age. They are both born in 283 AC. Is Jon older than Rob?
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Post by Melifeather on May 13, 2016 13:04:41 GMT
Jon says that according to Maester Luwin, bastards grow up faster than their siblings. What do you think this means? Does it mean that bastards have a harder lot in life and mature faster? Or is GRRM being coy and suggesting that a bastard's true age might be something other than what has been given out as canon, especially when secrets and misdirection are in play. Obfuscating birth order perhaps. Is it Maester Luwin's response to the question of an infant physically developing faster normal than a given age would suggest is normal? Something that most women would know about child development and notice? Bran says that Jon and Rob are of an age. Meaning that they are close in age. They are both born in 283 AC. Is Jon older than Rob? I think it could be both. Hiding a bastard's true age seems that it could be a real thing, as well as their harder lot in life causing them to grow up faster. If Jon is Ned's son, he should be a little bit younger than Rob, but if he's someone else's child, he could definitely be older.
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Post by min on May 13, 2016 13:50:45 GMT
Jon says that according to Maester Luwin, bastards grow up faster than their siblings. What do you think this means? Does it mean that bastards have a harder lot in life and mature faster? Or is GRRM being coy and suggesting that a bastard's true age might be something other than what has been given out as canon, especially when secrets and misdirection are in play. Obfuscating birth order perhaps. Is it Maester Luwin's response to the question of an infant physically developing faster normal than a given age would suggest is normal? Something that most women would know about child development and notice? Bran says that Jon and Rob are of an age. Meaning that they are close in age. They are both born in 283 AC. Is Jon older than Rob? I think it could be both. Hiding a bastard's true age seems that it could be a real thing, as well as their harder lot in life causing them to grow up faster. If Jon is Ned's son, he should be a little bit younger than Rob, but if he's someone else's child, he could definitely be older. If Ned's supposed dalliance was before his marriage to Catelyn, then wouldn't Jon be older if he is Ned's son? If Ashara is the Fisherman's Daughter and she was already pregnant; was this before he married Cat? If something occurred around the time of the Tourney at Harrenhall 281 AC; Jon could be older. Could the Fisherman's Daughter be more than just a little pregnant; noticeably so accounting for the story that she was pregnant?
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Post by Melifeather on May 13, 2016 14:03:10 GMT
I think it could be both. Hiding a bastard's true age seems that it could be a real thing, as well as their harder lot in life causing them to grow up faster. If Jon is Ned's son, he should be a little bit younger than Rob, but if he's someone else's child, he could definitely be older. If Ned's supposed dalliance was before his marriage to Catelyn, then wouldn't Jon be older if he is Ned's son? If Ashara is the Fisherman's Daughter and she was already pregnant; was this before he married Cat? If something occurred around the time of the Tourney at Harrenhall 281 AC; Jon could be older. Could the Fisherman's Daughter be more than just a little pregnant; noticeably so accounting for the story that she was pregnant? Actually, there are quite a few possible scenarios. 1) Ashara could have been pregnant as early as shortly around Harrenhal. 2) Ned could have impregnated "the Fisherman's Daughter" on his way to marry Catelyn, and... 3) He could also have gotten "Wylla" pregnant during the Rebellion. 4) Lyanna could have gotten pregnant shortly around Harrenhal or during capture.
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Post by min on May 13, 2016 14:30:52 GMT
I think Wylla is a feint; a story put about to misdirect in general and used effectively to put Robert off the topic of their tavern conquests in GoT on the road to Kingslanding. Robert thinks Ned is the type and Ned doesn't disabuse the notion even though it's not in his character. The lie serves the purpose of masking the truth. Especially since Robert's reaction to the truth is likely to be self-interested and violent. He cares not for his own bastards but a contender is another thing. Ned is walking on egg shells.
Although I do think Wylla was Jon's wet nurse either at Starfall and/or Winterfell. It might account for the rumors and gossip at Winterfell when Catelyn asks Ned about Ashara. Or the delay in bringing Cat and Rob from Riverrun. Although I imagine that Cat would have nothing to do with Jon or his wet nurse and they would be out of sight, out of mind most of the time.
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Post by min on May 13, 2016 17:22:23 GMT
What are the telltales if someone is watching using a glass candle either waking or entering dreams? With glamors it's the shimmering of light. When Dany is visited by Quaithe she sees stars across her mask. This seems to be a visitation while Dany is awake. When Dany is sleeping Quaithe appears with the moon in her eyes. Similarly Jon is chased by the moon in his wolf dream and while awake describes the stars watching him like eyes.
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Post by Melifeather on May 13, 2016 17:24:24 GMT
What are the telltales if someone is watching using a glass candle either waking or entering dreams? With glamors it's the shimmering of light. When Dany is visited by Quaithe she sees stars across her mask. This seems to be a visitation while Dany is awake. When Dany is sleeping Quaithe appears with the moon in her eyes. Similarly Jon is chased by the moon in his wolf dream and while awake describes the stars watching him like eyes. Neat observation! I think you're on to something!
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Post by min on May 13, 2016 19:09:52 GMT
Are we overlooking the Starks as a royal bloodline given it's special properties. If you lose the title, do you lose the royal jelly?
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