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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jul 18, 2016 22:15:34 GMT
Does anyone recall Melisandre saying that R'Hllor has claws? I know I came across this statement at one point but I can't find it. In ASOS:
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Post by min on Jul 18, 2016 22:21:08 GMT
Thanks, No problem. I'm going to have to go through every appearance of Melisandre to find it. I'll find it!
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jul 18, 2016 22:55:48 GMT
Thanks, No problem. I'm going to have to go through every appearance of Melisandre to find it. I'll find it! Is the passage that FreyFamilyReunion found not the one you were thinking of then Min?
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Post by min on Jul 18, 2016 23:13:12 GMT
Oh shoot. I didn't see that post. That's it alright. Thanks Freyfamilyreunion.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jul 19, 2016 1:59:36 GMT
Oh shoot. I didn't see that post. That's it alright. Thanks Freyfamilyreunion. Glad to help
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 6, 2016 15:51:00 GMT
Were Melissa Blackwood (mother of Bryden Rivers) and Melantha Blackwood (great-great-grandmother of our Bran) sisters?
The generation seems to fit.
If so, black wood is even more essential to the story. Specifically the trees that grow by the HotU and have blue leaves, from which shade of the evening is made (the drink that makes Dany have the same experience Bran had with the weirwood paste).
Further, Bran and BR being related makes hella sense.
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Post by min on Aug 6, 2016 15:55:46 GMT
Were Melissa Blackwood (mother of Bryden Rivers) and Melantha Blackwood (great-great-grandmother of our Bran) sisters? The generation seems to fit. If so, black wood is even more essential to the story. Specifically the trees that grow by the HotU and have blue leaves, from which shade of the evening is made (the drink that makes Dany have the same experience Bran had with the weirwood paste). Further, Bran and BR being related makes hella sense. Heart Trees and heart of darkness.
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 6, 2016 16:23:31 GMT
Were Melissa Blackwood (mother of Bryden Rivers) and Melantha Blackwood (great-great-grandmother of our Bran) sisters? The generation seems to fit. If so, black wood is even more essential to the story. Specifically the trees that grow by the HotU and have blue leaves, from which shade of the evening is made (the drink that makes Dany have the same experience Bran had with the weirwood paste). Further, Bran and BR being related makes hella sense. I like the Blackwood connection to the blue leaved tree, and it's a nice inversion to the weirwood, and it would help explain the feud with the Brackens. House Blackwood of Raventree Hall's sigil is a flock of ravens surrounding a weirwood tree. Interestingly all the ravens point away from the tree as if they are guarding it. Guarding as in protecting it, or guarding it as in keeping it prisoner?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 6, 2016 16:30:02 GMT
I like the Blackwood connection to the blue leaved tree, and it's a nice inversion to the weirwood, and it would help explain the feud with the Brackens. House Blackwood of Raventree Hall's sigil is a flock of ravens surrounding a weirwood tree. Interestingly all the ravens point away from the tree as if they are guarding it. Guarding as in protecting it, or guarding it as in keeping it prisoner? 100% that the black/blue trees are the inversion/counterpart to the white/red weirwoods. Tons of black/white imagery through the books of course, as well as the importance of both blue eyes and red eyes. Interesting about the sigil. Is that straight from GRRM or a fanterpretation?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Aug 6, 2016 16:49:31 GMT
Interesting about the sigil. Is that straight from GRRM or a fanterpretation? I think Jaime gives the description of the Blackwood sigil in Dance. Can't remember how detailed it is though. I remember his description as it being the leafless weirwood with ravens on it's branches, so I think the one in the wiki is a fanterpretation. By looking at the Stark family tree, is it possible to guestimate the timeline enough to say that Melissa and Melantha were sisters? On a side note was this all in the Word book, the info that the Blackwoods had once married into the Stark family? Cuz I don't recall that from the novels at all.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 6, 2016 16:54:34 GMT
I think Jaime gives the description of the Blackwood sigil in Dance. Can't remember how detailed it is though. I remember his description as it being the leafless weirwood with ravens on it's branches, so I think the one in the wiki is a fanterpretation. I'll poke around but I believe you're correct, thanks! This is the family tree I've been poking through, mostly from the World Book (yes, I got that idea from this). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_House_Stark
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Post by Ser Duncan on Aug 6, 2016 17:02:45 GMT
I just looked at both the Stark and the Targaryen family trees and considering that Melantha was Rickard's grandmother, Melissa was Aerys II's grandmother, and we know that Aerys and Rickard are contemporaries, it would be a good bet that Melissa and Melantha were sisters or even first cousins.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Aug 6, 2016 17:14:29 GMT
I just looked at both the Stark and the Targaryen family trees and considering that Melantha was Rickard's grandmother, Melissa was Aerys II's grandmother, and we know that Aerys and Rickard are contemporaries, it would be a good bet that Melissa and Melantha were sisters or even first cousins. I suspect the same, the timing works. Also Melissa and Melantha sure sound like names give to sisters - or even twins. Thanks for checking it out and letting me know. Could be a huge detail.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Aug 6, 2016 17:34:45 GMT
Nae bother. It got my curiosity up too
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Post by ac on Aug 6, 2016 18:01:55 GMT
I just looked at both the Stark and the Targaryen family trees and considering that Melantha was Rickard's grandmother, Melissa was Aerys II's grandmother, and we know that Aerys and Rickard are contemporaries, it would be a good bet that Melissa and Melantha were sisters or even first cousins. I suspect the same, the timing works. Also Melissa and Melantha sure sound like names give to sisters - or even twins. Thanks for checking it out and letting me know. Could be a huge detail. Would certainly make a lot of sense. I had a not-very-well-thought-through idea that the greenseer "gene" was hereditary but that it can lay dormant for generations and then appear again. Like they say about red hair (although I don't actually know if that's true!). Also brings to mind when they say that they been waiting for him for 200 years. Did they mean they were waiting specifically for Bran or for the greenseer "gene" to resurface again.
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