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Post by min on May 20, 2016 15:56:22 GMT
I am the fire and the light. This is also what Melisandre says about Rahloo and also that the Wall is as much her place as Jon's. She's also a watcher on the Wall. But there is an implication here about fire magic and the Night's Watch. This adds weight to the idea that Mel will resurrect Jon with fire magic. But what are the implications for the Night's Watch or the Night's King. This suggests a connection with Asshai. I'm a bit confused about the inverted tower stuff and what place Melifeather is looking for in the North (now the South). If it's a tower; could it be located at the Night Fort or one of the castles on the Wall? An original round tower? My thoughts are that fire magic was used to contain ice magic, so it makes sense that the Black Gate is warded with fire magic and that the Nights Watch is also connected to fire as I believe the original Nights Watch were falling, burning moon meteors carrying their fiery swords. North did not become south...it flipped upside down. Imagine Westeros as a big rock that got turned over. West is east and east is west, but the north is upside down, so the inverted towers are now actual towers. God, I'm dense at times. And now I understand why you said that. Yes warded with fire, only the living may pass; correct body temperature notwithstanding. I suspect that Melisandre could pass as well. I'm struck once again with the connection between fire magic and the HoB&W. It's not just fire magic, it's a face hung on a stone wall which glows like the moon. Also, if there is a literal translation of the new oath: the sword, the horn and the shield; I'm thinking there is also a literal translation to I am the fire and the light. the original Nights Watch were falling, burning moon meteors carrying their fiery swords - yes it's loaded with comet/meteor imagery. When Benjen says the wall is as straight as a sword going in one direction and twists like a serpent in the other; that's comet/meteor imagery. There is the story of the 79 sentinels locked in the ice armed with spears another meteor symbol. Could there be literally fire meteors embedded in the ground below the ice along the serpent tail or the wall itself? If a comet breaks in the atmosphere there could be a long trail of debris in the ocean and across the land. North did not become south...it flipped upside down. Imagine Westeros as a big rock that got turned over. West is east and east is wes t, but the north is upside down, so the inverted towers are now actual towers.Oh K. I get it.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 20, 2016 17:31:56 GMT
Interesting observation... The Winds of Winter is still not in my hands.
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Post by alienarea on May 21, 2016 22:57:57 GMT
Interesting observation... The Winds of Winter is still not in my hands. Imagine it were and it had mostly chapters with Arianne Martell, Jon Connington, Barristan Selmy and Victarion Greyjoy. Jon Snow spends the whole book in Ghost's body, Sansa is with Harry the Heir, Arya washes dead bodies and Davos tracks Rickon to Skagos only to find a shipwreck with a dead direwolf. In the meantime Daenerys is marched to Vaes Dothrak as a prisoner and Tyrion describes wine and food. Oh, and Lady Stoneheart ...
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Post by Weasel Pie on Jun 1, 2016 16:50:06 GMT
Passing thought... could some cases of the Pale Mare be deliberate poisoning? The waif schools us about the tears of Lys, which mimic diseases of the bowels.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 2, 2016 3:39:37 GMT
That's interesting. Tears of Lys is what killed Jon Arryn. Dany attributes her lack of getting the Pale Mare due to her dragon blood, but then when she's out in the wilds with Drogon she comes down with the symptoms of the disease. Again, she attributes it to the berries, but I wonder if the river, which is some of the water supply to Meereen hasn't been poisoned.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 2, 2016 15:31:23 GMT
The waif schools us about the tears of Lys, which mimic diseases of the bowels. This also brings to mind Ser Willem Darry's "wasting sickness". Tyrion description of the Yellow Whale's bout with the Pare Mare "hot, moist, sweet sickly odor" reminds me of Dany's recollection of Willem Darry.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Jun 2, 2016 16:39:47 GMT
The waif schools us about the tears of Lys, which mimic diseases of the bowels. This also brings to mind Ser Willem Darry's "wasting sickness". Tyrion description of the Yellow Whale's bout with the Pare Mare "hot, moist, sweet sickly odor" reminds me of Dany's recollection of Willem Darry. Then there is Hoster Tully's bad belly as well. And of course there was no love loss between Baelish and Hoster. It makes me curious about where Maester Vyman came from.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Jun 2, 2016 16:45:33 GMT
Then there is Hoster Tully's bad belly as well. And of course there was no love loss between Baelish and Hoster. Oooh, indeed....I thought about Hoster, but didn't connect it with Baelish at all. Hmmmmm...... Was it said how long Maester Vyman had been at Riverrun? Maester Kym (?) held the position during Cat's days there, but I don't remember if it was noted when Vyman took over.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jun 2, 2016 17:14:42 GMT
Jon Arryn, Willem Darry and Hoster Tully seem to have died in very similar manners. Where the hell was I going with this...Oh yeah, I'm thinking these three might have been dosed with something to help them along, shall we say.
The Yellow Whale, the rest of the troups, and all the freed slaves that are dying outside Meereen and some inside as well, all point to poisoned water. Those in the higher echelon seem to be fine, mainly because they are drinking wines and other forms of boiled/sanitised water. As soon as Dany is forced to drink the river water, she falls ill.
Something tells me the connection the Waif's showing Arya the Tears of Lys is a strong hint that the Faceless Men have been given an assignment. They are Braavosi and their entire foundation is about escaping the tyranny of the dragon lords. Now there is a new dragon lord. Are they really going to just stay out it and hope this time things will be different? These guys started out by killing slaves. Now freed slaves are suffering again because they have no source of income to support themselves. Poisoning their water source would be an act of mercy, just like the very first Faceless Man did for his fellow slave.
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Post by min on Aug 8, 2016 10:24:31 GMT
Cersei makes a comment in FfC about poisonous flowers starting to bloom which put me in mind of Dany's vision of the blue flower blooming in a chink at the Wall. Turns out that Aconite or Wolfsbane is a highly poisonous blue flower that can range as far North as Labrador up to Baffin Island. It's also called Monkshood. Wolfsbane is also a Marvel character: A Scottish mutant, Wolfsbane possesses the ability to transform into a wolf or into a transitional state somewhere between human and wolf. She has honed her powers to shift between human and wolf characteristics but must keep her feral instincts at bay when she does. - wikipedia
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wolfsbane
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Post by Ser Duncan on Aug 8, 2016 18:15:13 GMT
Dany's vision of the blue flower blooming in a chink at the Wall. Turns out that Aconite or Wolfsbane is a highly poisonous blue flower that can range as far North as Labrador up to Baffin Island. It's also called Monkshood. You know what, that's probably the best interpretation of the blue flower I've heard read so far. If indeed Dany's vision is prophetic, then it fits with what happened to Jon. The poisonous flower can be seen as the conspirators to his assassination. Or it could even point to the poisonous nature of Jon's allowing the wildlings through the Wall. To most of Westeros this is seen as a great betrayal. And if the wildlings don't stick to the agreement, then that would be a double betrayal.
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Post by min on Aug 8, 2016 23:20:35 GMT
Dany's vision of the blue flower blooming in a chink at the Wall. Turns out that Aconite or Wolfsbane is a highly poisonous blue flower that can range as far North as Labrador up to Baffin Island. It's also called Monkshood. You know what, that's probably the best interpretation of the blue flower I've heard read so far. If indeed Dany's vision is prophetic, then it fits with what happened to Jon. The poisonous flower can be seen as the conspirators to his assassination. Or it could even point to the poisonous nature of Jon's allowing the wildlings through the Wall. To most of Westeros this is seen as a great betrayal. And if the wildlings don't stick to the agreement, then that would be a double betrayal. It's a purple-blue flower; the same color described in the chamber of the HoU as well.
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Post by min on Aug 21, 2016 12:27:57 GMT
Sea Spiders ubiquitous in all oceans including Arctic and Antarctic and in the deep ocean. Although "sea spiders" are not true spiders, or even arachnids, their traditional classification as chelicerates would place them closer to true spiders than to other well-known arthropod groups, such as insects or crustaceans. However even this is in dispute, as genetic evidence suggests they may even be an ancient sister group to all other living arthropods - wikipedia Sea spiders have long legs in contrast to a small body size. The number of walking legs is usually eight (four pairs), but species with five and six pairs exist. Because of their small size and thin body and legs, no respiratory system is necessary, with gases moving by diffusion. A proboscis allows them to suck nutrients from soft-bodied invertebrates, and their digestive tract has diverticula extending into the legs. - wikipedia So possibly ice spiders are not made of ice but survive in icy conditions; no respiratory tract and can survive out of water? Creatures from the deep or occupying underwater caves and river systems connected to the sea?
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