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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 3:12:32 GMT
There were two kg. Maybe Hightower is in the tower acting the midwife. I watched it again, and I only counted six northmen. Thought there were seven too. And the turban is weird. I'm gonna hafta watch that again because I swear I saw 7 northmen walking up to fight. And btw, what a cocktease with the start of their conversation being exactly like the book. Then the third line...Erm what?
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Post by Melifeather on May 9, 2016 3:15:13 GMT
And btw, what a cocktease with the start of their conversation being exactly like the book. Then the third line...Erm what? Perhaps this is the show's way of telling us that since the lines are not the same as the book, that perhaps what they will show us will also not be like the book?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 9, 2016 4:33:58 GMT
Oh yeah and 'Who's in the tower?' cue baby crying. Really? REALLY? I will need a rewatch but I didn't hear that as a babe. It sounded like a woman screaming - not in pain but in fear. The whole thing with AD wishing Ned luck in the wars to come (after it was clarified that Aerys and Rhaegar were already dead) makes me even more convinced that the scene in the tower is related to blood magic. Whatever it was, it wasn't pretty. Something wicked in the tower would certainly explain why Bloodraven was so insistent on Bran NOT seeing it. Interesting that the TOJ scene was preceded by Jon, "the prince that was promised", but then is followed by Dany, Mother of Dragons. Maybe we'll get twins after all!
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Post by min on May 9, 2016 10:12:09 GMT
I'm relieved that Theon didn't go back to Winterfell. I don't think I could stand another flaying. Osha and Rickon in Ramsey's hands... good grief. I hope Rickon can skinchange into one of Ramsey's hounds. Jon is now off looking for what... Benjen? Is he going to show up too? Will Jon eventually help Bran escape? I hope so because there's not much to crow about this episode. Who were the Oathbreakers again? The ToJ... Bran is defiant over what he can or can't do despite BR's warnings. Ned kills Ser Arthur with his own sword and then later Ned is killed with his own sword. Is this Ice? It's looking more like Oathkeeper is the sword of Heroes. "Where's my sister?" Woman screaming in the background after Ser Arthur is killed. Inside the EpisodeIce
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Post by Melifeather on May 9, 2016 11:15:11 GMT
I'm thinking Jon is the Oathbreaker since his death broke his oath to the Nights Watch.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 9, 2016 13:33:59 GMT
I will need a rewatch but I didn't hear that as a babe. It sounded like a woman screaming - not in pain but in fear. The whole thing with AD wishing Ned luck in the wars to come (after it was clarified that Aerys and Rhaegar were already dead) makes me even more convinced that the scene in the tower is related to blood magic. Whatever it was, it wasn't pretty. Something wicked in the tower would certainly explain why Bloodraven was so insistent on Bran NOT seeing it. Interesting that the TOJ scene was preceded by Jon, "the prince that was promised", but then is followed by Dany, Mother of Dragons. Maybe we'll get twins after all! Yes, I heard a woman too, not a baby, thank god. But the show is pushing LJ for sure, and hinting at R. 100% agree that the tower isn't just a birthing room, I can't imagine a more boring outcome for a very determined Bran to witness after Max von Sydow makes such a big deal out of it. Totally on board with the twin thing though RLD! The show also goes out of it's way to show Lyanna on a horse right away. Max also makes it clear that Bran can't change the past... or does he? Seems to me Bran is learning he can indeed affect the past, and Max is trying to dissuade him. And Max/BR says he's been waiting a thousand years? hrmmmmm. Jon is now off looking for what... Benjen? Jon better be hightailing it to Winterfell to get Rickon out of Ramsay's cluthes.
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Post by Melifeather on May 9, 2016 13:57:55 GMT
And Max/BR says he's been waiting a thousand years? hrmmmmm I heard that too and was like, what? ?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 9, 2016 14:39:17 GMT
I can't imagine a more boring outcome for a very determined Bran to witness after Max von Sydow makes such a big deal out of it. Gods, seriously. Why in the world would BR need to be so hush-hush and insist that Bran learn "EVERYTHING" before he sees the rest of the tower scene play out if the only reveal is that his half brother is the last male of a now-defunct family line? I mean, who cares? The only way it could be THAT monumental and THAT interesting is to have there be some serious magic involved. BTW....I was wrong in my sequencing. Jon didn't immediately precede the TOJ scene - SAM did. Sam, with Gilly and the baby that is being passed off as little bastard Sam, as he talks about how he will send them to his family home for safekeeping while he goes off to do his duty. Then TOJ, then cut to Dany. Also, the "Oathbreaker" title got me to thinking about inversions and secret babies and all that, and two things came to mind. First, Ned's "shame" when thinking of Jon while down in the Black Cells, his "old guilts", etc. Second, Maester Aemon's speech to Jon about family loyalty, with love being the bane of honor and death of duty. I'm starting to wonder if this is a hint that Ned abandoned his duty in some fashion - he had to choose between love and honor, and he chose love. For example, he had sworn to protect someone associated with the crown, but failed to do so by protecting his own instead. The heart in conflict with itself...Ned chooses selfishly and feels badly for it for the rest of his days. I'm pretty sure that this involves a coin toss between Jon and Dany.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 9, 2016 14:41:14 GMT
And Max/BR says he's been waiting a thousand years? hrmmmmm. "At the end of the Third Host, Gaea (the Elder God that is the sentient force of the Earth, or Mother Nature) knew that in one thousand years (“We knew you were to come to us,” the wizard king said. “A thousand years ago we knew, and have been waiting all this time. We sent the comet to show you the way”) the Fourth Host would arrive and demand its proof of humanity’s worthiness. houseofblackandwhite.freeforums.net/thread/200/iia-origin-arc-celestials
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 9, 2016 15:05:02 GMT
BTW....I was wrong in my sequencing. Jon didn't immediately precede the TOJ scene - SAM did. Sam, with Gilly and the baby that is being passed off as little bastard Sam, as he talks about how he will send them to his family home for safekeeping while he goes off to do his duty. Ser Piggy Bacon is Aeg!! Gilly even made a big deal of it, with her "our son" dialogue. Damn, gurl. I'm so happy “We knew you were to come to us,” the wizard king said. “A thousand years ago we knew, and have been waiting all this time. We sent the comet to show you the way” oh my god
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 9, 2016 15:05:14 GMT
BTW...the random line where Arthur wishes Ned good fortune in the wars to come? Exact same line said by Mance to Stannis before his execution.Start around 5:40 www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i-FWK-dMp0Significant? I think so!
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 9, 2016 15:10:40 GMT
I can't help but think that Jon saying "nothing" happened while he was dead is the show-writers copping out. But I don't know. Between the "you know nothing Jon Snow" and Arya's "nothing"-centric dialogue, maybe GRRM would pull this in the books. And it's still a cop out. IMO.
But I do like how "my watch has ended" got tied up with a bow. Jon will be the 1,000th LC, methinks, as long suspected.
But, what's this about Bran and Meera? Ahem. I touched on this a bit in BTT but I think Meera is destined for something other than frogspearing.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 9, 2016 15:15:00 GMT
But, what's this about Bran and Meera? Ahem. I touched on this a bit in BTT but I think Meera is destined for something other than frogspearing. Yeah, the show is setting something up for sure....BR makes a big point to identify Howland Reed to Bran, while not mentioning the others at all. Also, note that Howland and Ned are the only ones to take down the Sword of the Morning - it's like they are now "marked" with his blood. If that's true, then perhaps their descendants are marked too.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 9, 2016 15:18:14 GMT
But, what's this about Bran and Meera? Ahem. I touched on this a bit in BTT but I think Meera is destined for something other than frogspearing. Yeah, the show is setting something up for sure....BR makes a big point to identify Howland Reed to Bran, while not mentioning the others at all. Also, note that Howland and Ned are the only ones to take down the Sword of the Morning - it's like they are now "marked" with his blood. If that's true, then perhaps their descendants are marked too. And Bran's shocked "he stabbed him in the back!" Also of note how BR said to Bran, Hodor and Meera that he was waiting for them all for a very long time - end of season 4. Hodor and Meera both have big things in store.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 9, 2016 15:26:35 GMT
I can't imagine a more boring outcome for a very determined Bran to witness after Max von Sydow makes such a big deal out of it. Gods, seriously. Why in the world would BR need to be so hush-hush and insist that Bran learn "EVERYTHING" before he sees the rest of the tower scene play out if the only reveal is that his half brother is the last male of a now-defunct family line? I mean, who cares? The only way it could be THAT monumental and THAT interesting is to have there be some serious magic involved. BTW....I was wrong in my sequencing. Jon didn't immediately precede the TOJ scene - SAM did. Sam, with Gilly and the baby that is being passed off as little bastard Sam, as he talks about how he will send them to his family home for safekeeping while he goes off to do his duty. Then TOJ, then cut to Dany. Also, the "Oathbreaker" title got me to thinking about inversions and secret babies and all that, and two things came to mind. First, Ned's "shame" when thinking of Jon while down in the Black Cells, his "old guilts", etc. Second, Maester Aemon's speech to Jon about family loyalty, with love being the bane of honor and death of duty. I'm starting to wonder if this is a hint that Ned abandoned his duty in some fashion - he had to choose between love and honor, and he chose love. For example, he had sworn to protect someone associated with the crown, but failed to do so by protecting his own instead. The heart in conflict with itself...Ned chooses selfishly and feels badly for it for the rest of his days. I'm pretty sure that this involves a coin toss between Jon and Dany. Haven't watched the show yet, but I'm still holding out hope that Howland Reed is Jon's father, so it's good to see that the show has finally shown Howland. If he's as unimportant as most of the R + L = J would have you believe (basically just a tool to tell explain to Jon and the readers who Jon's parents were) then the show could have probably gotten away with ignoring him.
I actually have a bit of a cracked theory that Bloodraven basically genetically engineered Jon's birth (along with Cat's kids) basically making Bloodraven the Azar Ahai character in the story. I suppose I need to get around to putting it in writing at some point.
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