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Post by jnr on Oct 11, 2016 6:19:40 GMT
Men actually go insane if they try to use it! words have been lifted (kind word) stolen (realistic word) by GRRM, including a new name: the Neverborn My pet theory about this has always been that GRRM skimmed WoT, picked up that term, dropped it without realizing it into his summary letter from 1993, and was gently informed by the publishing world that even in genre fiction, a tad more innovation was going to be required of him.
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 20, 2016 23:55:54 GMT
Just saving a comment/reply to min that is relevant to this thread:
But he traveled to the Heart of Winter in his dream...speaking of traveling in dreams...I've just finished book 3 The Dragon Reborn in the Wheel of Time series and 3 of the characters learn to travel in dreams. Interestingly enough Perrin, the one connected to wolves was first to learn how to travel with his dead wolf guide, Hopper. Then Egwaine (spelling?) is given a tal-angreal (spelling?!) a double-banded ring with only one edge that if she wears it when she falls asleep she can direct where she travels in dreams, and she learned that you can get hurt in dreams just as awake. She also bound two people in the dream and they were unable to wake up. And of course Rand al Thor the Dragon reborn can follow and fight "dark friends" in dreams. It seems pretty obvious to me that GRRM has drawn inspiration from this book series, so I wonder how much of this dream world will be expanded in ASOIAF? Bran traveled to the Heart of Winter, felt the cold, and then also felt his tears burning down his cheeks. He also felt the 3EC pecking at his forehead. He saw the present and the future in his dreams, and he learned to travel and visit Jon in a dream.
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Post by ac on Aug 26, 2019 18:14:49 GMT
I am currently listening to The Shadow Rising on Audible. I read ASOIAF as books and so far have only listened to the Wheel of Time series. I really enjoy it but also feel like I am missing a lot when I get distracted and the audio obviously continues.
I'm wary about trying to find forums online as I don't want to get spoiled!
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 26, 2019 20:57:35 GMT
I am currently listening to The Shadow Rising on Audible. I read ASOIAF as books and so far have only listened to the Wheel of Time series. I really enjoy it but also feel like I am missing a lot when I get distracted and the audio obviously continues. I'm wary about trying to find forums online as I don't want to get spoiled! I too began listening to the Wheel of Time series after I was told about it. I'm on book 5 or 6 (I think), and I have noted a ton of parallels between Wheel of Time and A Song of Ice and Fire, especially the Aes Sedai. GRRM has stated that the white walkers are akin to “sidhe made of ice” and I think he has inserted a number of ideas into the story that represent the sidhe. The Irish sidhe are an ancient fairy race that live in mounds. In ASOIAF the Children are an ancient race too and while their underground cities could represent sidhe mounds, the story also has burrows or rather large mounded graves that belong to the First Men which hints at a human connection. In Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series he has bestowed some humans with special powers and calls them "Aes Sedai" which appears to be inspired of the Irish spelling for sidhe, "Aos Si" or "Aes Sídhe". The Aes Sedai of Jordan's books can "channel" which is equivalent to magic. Female Aes Sedai channel by drawing on "saidar" while males draw on "saidin". Both are actually accessing the "One Power" which consists of the five elements of earth, water, air, fire, and spirit. IMO GRRM has drawn on Jordan's version of Aes Sedai to create his sidhe made of ice and connect them to a human source. Robert Jordan also inserted "wargs" in his story - humans bonded to wolves. He has dreamwalkers who can retrieve information from other places in their dreams and see the dreams of others. Please share any other parallels you've noticed between the two books!
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Post by ac on Aug 27, 2019 18:08:24 GMT
Well ASoIAF and WoT are the only two fantasy series I have read so it's quite possible the similarities I see are just general to the genre. There's also the issue that I haven't finished either story.
I am interested to see how prominent a role the "game of houses" ends up having in WoT. And whether they follow the same line as the Game of Thrones in distracting from the real and greater threat.
The ogier (spelling?) and the children of the forest seem to have a number of parallels. I wonder if the Isle of Faces will turn out to be something like a ogier steading.
Obviously both books have their own "mad king" that brings disaster with him.
One theory I have is that Rand will eventually become a "Breaker of Chains" himself and will free the captured Aas Sedai from the Seanchan to create his own "slave army".
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Post by Melifeather on Aug 28, 2019 14:02:04 GMT
I am interested to see how prominent a role the "game of houses" ends up having in WoT. And whether they follow the same line as the Game of Thrones in distracting from the real and greater threat. The Game of Houses in Wheel does seem to be similar to ASOIAF's Game of Thrones. Both are only played by a select group of people while the rest of the characters seem unconcerned or at least remain uninvolved. The ogier (spelling?) and the children of the forest seem to have a number of parallels. I wonder if the Isle of Faces will turn out to be something like a ogier steading. The Ogier are a nonhuman race of giants, but unlike the giants in ASOIAF they are knowledgeable and are known for their stonework and architecture. There are Children in Wheel, but they are human. The Children of the Light are a society of men who are dedicated to the defeat of the Dark One and their Darkfriends. They lump Aes Sedai in with the Darkfriends, so it seems there is a conflict between a brother and sister: Galad Damodred is Elayne Trakand's half-brother. Galad joined the Whitecloaks, which is another name for members of the Children of the Light, and his half-sister Elayne is the daughter heir of Andor, but she is also an Aes Sedai. Galad is duty-bound to capture his own sister and bring her to Caemlyn, but he is conflicted because he's in love with another Aes Sedai named Egwene. Rand does seem to be a lot like Daenerys. He's called the dragon reborn and breaker of chains, and people expect him to break the wheel and save the world. IMO there are more than just "nods" in ASOIAF to Robert Jordan's series. To me it almost seems like he's rewriting Wheel and trying to make it better. Maybe its because the series was finished by another writer handpicked by Jordan?
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