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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 18:52:28 GMT
“ The shadows come to dance, my lord, dance my lord, dance my lord. The shadows come to stay, my lord, stay my lord, stay my lord. ”
- Patchface to Cressen and Shireen Baratheon
“ Under the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and black. I know, I know, oh, oh, oh. ”
- Patchface during the burning of the Seven on Dragonstone
“ Fool's blood. King's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye, aye, aye. ”
- Patchface to Davos Seaworth
“ Under the sea the old fish eat the young fish. Up here the young fish teach the old fish. ”
- Patchface to Davos Seaworth
“ In the dark the dead are dancing. I know, I know, oh oh oh. ”
- Patchface at Castle Black
“ Under the sea the mermen feast on starfish soup, and all the serving men are crabs.”
- Patchface at Castle Black
“ The crow, the crow. Under the sea the crows are white as snow, I know, I know, oh, oh, oh. ”
- Patchface to Jon Snow
“ Malegorn: Lord Snow, who will lead this ranging?
Jon: Are you offering yourself, ser?
Malegorn: Do I look so foolish?
Patchface: I will lead it! We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh.
”- Malegorn, Jon Snow, and Patchface
Thoughts on what his words may mean?
What other potential prophecies are interesting to you and what do they mean?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Feb 21, 2016 20:41:13 GMT
“ Fool's blood. King's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye, aye, aye. ” - Patchface to Davos Seaworth This one sounds eerily like a prophecy about the Red Wedding. Catelyn spills the fool's blood, Bolton spills the king's blood, Edmure spills the maidens blood, and the guests are killed rather than chained, but the bridegroom/Edmure is certainly chained afterwards. The only thing that doesn't fit is the chaining of the guests. Some refresh my memory, do any of the guests survive? Or perhaps it means those guests that did the killing are chained? Because they kind of are, the Freys are trapped between the Boltons and the Lannisters ever after, and hated by all.
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Post by Melifeather on Feb 21, 2016 21:05:30 GMT
Yes, Catelyn's brother Edmure and his new wife Roselin are kept prisoner, as well as some of the surviving guests. I wonder if we can compile a list of survivors?
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Post by Maester Flagons on Feb 22, 2016 17:16:50 GMT
I do wonder what Patchface is supposed to be. These quotes I copied below make me think that Patchface is a second lifer. He seems like a blend of Coldhands or Beric and Aeron Greyjoy. “Under the sea the old fish eat the young fish."* "In the dark the dead are dancing." "The crow, the crow. Under the sea the crows are white as snow, I know, I know, oh, oh, oh." I doubt all his songs and riddles are prophecy. Ol' George probably mixed in a few that sound like they mean something. I just don't know which is which and what these songs mean. * BTW I looked in the wiki for the chapter that quote is from. I found that the wiki quote is not accurate. Imagine that! And I as well have attributed this all to Patchface in the past. Patchface says to Davos, "Under the sea the old fish eat the young fish." It is Davos who says to Patchface, "Up here the young fish teach the old fish." It's like a real life translation of error in prophecy.
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Post by Melifeather on Feb 22, 2016 17:46:08 GMT
Patchface prophesies read like Mother Goose rhymes, Humpty Dumpty in particular, which is why I used him as supporting evidence that the ASOIAF series is "through the looking glass".
I think there is a lot to learn from Patchface, because he is prophesizing...if only we could figure them all out! What we do know from Bran, Arya, Varamyr, and maybe Euron is that a near-death or blinding experience can open a third eye. Now I'm not asserting that Patchface is a skinchanger, but he may be receiving greendreams that he recites in nursery rhyme format.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Feb 22, 2016 18:12:50 GMT
Speaking of prophecy, something I have forgotten about Azor Ahai Reborn is the little bit that we hear from Stannis when he speaks of sacrificing Edric Storm.
Is this not slightly different than what we have heard from the prophecies of Azor Ahai reborn? Reborn in the sea? Dragons from dead stone? This is Dany all day. But could it be more than that?
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Post by Melifeather on Feb 22, 2016 18:17:44 GMT
Patchface was definitely reborn in the sea, but so have most of the Iron Born as they have been drowned and resuscitated, but Dany was Stormborn and I agree that this prophecy points to her. She is the Azor Ahai-type figure.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Feb 22, 2016 19:04:21 GMT
Patchface was definitely reborn in the sea, but so have most of the Iron Born as they have been drowned and resuscitated, but Dany was Stormborn and I agree that this prophecy points to her. She is the Azor Ahai-type figure. I take Patchfaces 'resurrection' as more than symbolic. Maybe he is AAR.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Feb 22, 2016 21:08:59 GMT
Patchface: I will lead it! We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh.” - Malegorn, Jon Snow, and Patchface This one sounds like Patchface is saying that House Velaryon, with a seahorse as their sigil, and House Manderly, with a merman as their sigil, will join forces and help Jon rescue the folk as Hardhome. It doesn't seem possible now, not with the stabbing and Manderly being busy getting wounded at Winterfell, but who knows what could happen in the future. Aurane Waters, a Velaryon bastard did make off with Cersei's fleet. And who knows what Manderly is aiming to do with all his hidden ships. And Waters' half brother Monford Velaryon did fight for Stannis at the BoBW.
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Post by Melifeather on Feb 22, 2016 21:20:27 GMT
What makes you think Hardhome versus Winterfell?
I think you are onto something with that Patchface prophecy. I think many readers expect Davos to find Rickon and maybe with Manderly's forces they will descend upon Winterfell. But wasn't the hornblowing from Umber's men?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Feb 23, 2016 0:36:38 GMT
What makes you think Hardhome versus Winterfell? The conversation in which Patchface says that, is the one in which the Queen Selyse disapproves of Jon's decision to got to Hardhome. Jon replies that he wouldn't ask his men to do anything he wouldn't do himself, and Selyse approves of that because she thinks he'll die in the attempt and a more suitable LC will be chosen after him. I think you are onto something with that Patchface prophecy. I think many readers expect Davos to find Rickon and maybe with Manderly's forces they will descend upon Winterfell. But wasn't the hornblowing from Umber's men? Yeah, that part threw me too. It's the Umbers that blow the horn to signify to the Boltons, they're there and in position to attack, rather than defend Stannis. But then again, the Freys and Manderlies both blow their horns when exiting Winterfell, so who knows. Like I said though it could be something we'll see in future books. And like you said, if Davos manages to get Rickon, the Manderly forces hidden at White Harbour would be the first to know about it, so any troops deployed would be by sea.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 1:34:50 GMT
I have often wondered that the prophesies in ASOIAF will come to fruition in ways that readers do not expect in the slightest. “ Under the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and black. I know, I know, oh, oh, oh. ” - Patchface during the burning of the Seven on Dragonstone I wonder if this one is a prophesy for the battle of the blackwater?
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 23, 2016 11:13:25 GMT
This is sort of prophecy related. When Mel is talking to Jon about the Wall, she has this to say,
"When I gaze into the flames, I can see through stone and earth, and find the truth within men’s souls. I can speak to kings long dead and children not yet born, and watch the years and seasons flicker past, until the end of days."
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 23, 2016 13:32:27 GMT
Patchface is one of our clues that Bran has changed the reality of Westeros into a type of through the looking glass situation. If you were to stand upon the Wall and look south, each respective area is in a different place. The Iron Islands are now to your right where Dragonstone was, Dorne is now on your left about where Casterly Rock was. Winterfell is now in the south about where Starfall was, and north of the Wall it is upside down just as Patchface says. It's like they are under water. So the north is like a sea and the fish are the wights coming in waves. The talk about mermaids, seahorses, and crabs represent northern houses involved in the battle for Winterfell.
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