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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Apr 15, 2016 14:28:38 GMT
On the Lem theme:
Lem is the father of Weasel, the little girl that AryaCo meet in the Riverlands.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 15, 2016 14:51:05 GMT
On the Lem theme: Lem is the father of Weasel, the little girl that AryaCo meet in the Riverlands. I'm flabbergasted! I had forgotten about that! It's a nice connection to Arya, who is paralleling Lyanna.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 15, 2016 15:10:10 GMT
I'm flabbergasted! I had forgotten about that! LOL so did Martin, because we never find out what happens to Weasel. Seems he forgot about her too.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 15, 2016 15:43:04 GMT
I'm flabbergasted! I had forgotten about that! LOL so did Martin, because we never find out what happens to Weasel. Seems he forgot about her too. I'll start a thread on this later on tonight, because I have more evidence. I don't think GRRM "forgot" about Weasel. She's just a clue for the reader to make the connection.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 15, 2016 16:25:29 GMT
I'll start a thread on this later on tonight, because I have more evidence. I don't think GRRM "forgot" about Weasel. She's just a clue for the reader to make the connection. I look forward to it. I've never made that connection, so I'm interested in what you've found. About both Lem is Arthur, and the significance of Weasel.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Apr 15, 2016 16:33:40 GMT
The Others provided the mother direwolf and puppies. Ghost is the result of a warg breaking one of Haggon's rules and mating wolf with wolf. So, is Ghost not the sibling of the other direwolves?
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 15, 2016 16:42:07 GMT
I'll start a thread on this later on tonight, because I have more evidence. I don't think GRRM "forgot" about Weasel. She's just a clue for the reader to make the connection. I look forward to it. I've never made that connection, so I'm interested in what you've found. About both Lem is Arthur, and the significance of Weasel. I hadn't either until I was 3/4 through The Queenmaker chapter.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Apr 15, 2016 17:46:15 GMT
So, is Ghost not the sibling of the other direwolves? Could be a half sibling due to superfecundation.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Apr 15, 2016 18:27:17 GMT
So, is Ghost not the sibling of the other direwolves? Could be a half sibling due to superfecundation. You mean like what happened with Tryion and his Oberyn sired twin that he absorbed in the womb?
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 15, 2016 19:41:39 GMT
Ghost is the result of a warg breaking one of Haggon's rules and mating wolf with wolf. So, is Ghost not the sibling of the other direwolves? Sure he is, but wolves are superfecund - several fathers can impregnate the mother within a certain amount of time (as long as eggs are available), resulting in multiple offspring. There have even been cases in humans where "fraternal twins" actually had different fathers. Whether GRRM knew about the human cases back in the day or not.... ETA Maester Flagons
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Post by Weasel Pie on Apr 15, 2016 19:44:02 GMT
Could be a half sibling due to superfecundation. You mean like what happened with Tryion and his Oberyn sired twin that he absorbed in the womb? now that's a theory!
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 15, 2016 21:10:08 GMT
There have even been cases in humans where "fraternal twins" actually had different fathers. Whether GRRM knew about the human cases back in the day or not.... Well, considering there was already a paternity suit filed by 1992 and a publication in the journals of medicine, I'm gonna go with he did know about superfecundity. What we didn't know back then is that there can actually be identical (not fraternal) twins of the opposite sex. Meaning male and female identical twins. That wasn't discover until a decade or so later.
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Post by Melifeather on Apr 15, 2016 21:12:01 GMT
How can "identical" be opposite sex?
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Post by Ser Duncan on Apr 15, 2016 23:51:23 GMT
How can "identical" be opposite sex? Like this. The non-technical breakdown is this can only happen to what should've been boy twins. The egg splits with only part of the gene containing the child's sex. So one gets an XY copy, which is a boy, and the other gets X0 copy, meaning the Y part does not get transferred, leaving the X chromosome by itself, making the other child female by default.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Apr 16, 2016 1:37:11 GMT
Could be a half sibling due to superfecundation. You mean like what happened with Tryion and his Oberyn sired twin that he absorbed in the womb? Sorry to veer off topic, a little, but I can't help but think of that as a reversal of Twins, the film, starring Arnold and Danny. The embryo split causing two completely different people coming from that split. Tyrion, though, he is both the intellectual and the streetwise merged into one.
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