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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 11, 2016 14:54:54 GMT
And Rhaego was filled with graveworms, and had been dead for years.
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Post by Melifeather on May 11, 2016 14:55:18 GMT
Who do you think was the mother that didn't lose her child? Ashara? There should be inversions. King Daeron the young dragon died - Rhaegar the dragon lived Daenerys unborn son died - Ashara's son lived Daenerys lived - Ashara died Horse was also sacrificed - No Lyanna in this scenerio.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 11, 2016 14:56:21 GMT
And Rhaego was filled with graveworms, and had been dead for years. and what, at least 4 other suspicious monstrous stillbirths in the Targ history, some with wings. ETA if Rhaegar already went through the fire rite at Summerhall, maybe the blood rite was also needed. Same with Dany... first the fire for the eggs, but it also needed the blood.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 11, 2016 14:57:10 GMT
Who do you think was the mother that didn't lose her child? Ashara? There should be inversions. King Daeron the young dragon died - Rhaegar the dragon lived Daenerys unborn son died - Ashara's son lived Daenerys lived - Ashara died Horse was also sacrificed - No Lyanna in this scenerio. Elia? (Cause Aegon lives)
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Post by Melifeather on May 11, 2016 15:04:51 GMT
Who do you think was the mother that didn't lose her child? Ashara? There should be inversions. King Daeron the young dragon died - Rhaegar the dragon lived Daenerys unborn son died - Ashara's son lived Daenerys lived - Ashara died Horse was also sacrificed - No Lyanna in this scenerio. Elia? (Cause Aegon lives) Remember the "child of three" and the close relationship between Ashara and Elia being close as sisters, and Elia's sickliness? And the theory that Ashara was the surrogate mom?
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 11, 2016 15:06:52 GMT
Remember the "child of three" and the close relationship between Ashara and Elia being close as sisters, and Elia's sickliness? And the theory that Ashara was the surrogate mom? heck yes!
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 11, 2016 15:19:02 GMT
Rhaegar realized he was not the prophesied because he was much too old?
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Post by Melifeather on May 11, 2016 15:20:37 GMT
Rhaegar realized he was not the prophesied because he was much too old? Not that he was too old, but that all the "ingredients" weren't in place. He saw the red comet when his son was born, so apparently the red comet wasn't around when Rhaegar was born, therefore he no longer felt he was the Prince that was Promised.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 11, 2016 15:29:17 GMT
Catching up guys, went to bed early (for me) with this sinus infection. I really don't want to believe that D&D will go full fanfic and do a straight RLJ with no seasoning. You may not want to believe it, but they have already. The leader of the cold lot being the Night's King is straight from Heresy. Euron being the one to drop Balon off the bridge, again fan fic that's been talked about in both Heresy and General boards. Same with burning Shireen. Same with Loras being gay. All of these are ideas whose subcontext is murky in the canon, but that most believe. We will be getting another later in the season, according to one 'couldn't shut his gob if his life depended on it' actor. Rewatch the beginning of the scene and let me know what you think. Now you mention it, the northman do calmly picket their horses and look up at the tower as if their end goal was to enter, not fight.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 11, 2016 15:35:41 GMT
Go to the TOJ video and stop it from 3:28 to 3:29. How'd you bookmark the spot like that? Love it! Crap it didn't work when I viewed the clip on YT Dayne and Hightower know there will be a fight when Ned arrives. They're geared up, sharpening swords, etc. Sword is struck into the earth, like a claim of "we got here first." I was it as, you will go no further. If you want to pass, it's going to be a fight to the death.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 11, 2016 15:40:23 GMT
ETA if Rhaegar already went through the fire rite at Summerhall, maybe the blood rite was also needed. Same with Dany... first the fire for the eggs, but it also needed the blood. YISSSSSSSS, omg yes And in true inversion, Summerhall was fire then blood, while Dany was blood then fire Thread now in Crackpot forum, btw
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 11, 2016 15:55:14 GMT
There are THREE horses tied up by the tower...all of them with a blanket showing royal colors. I see the horses the Northman rode up on tied to the picket by the bush. And I see more than 3, they're milling about so it's hard to count. But then later when Ned runs into the tower, there are two horses with a yellow blanket/standard on them, closer to the stair up to the tower. Now it looks like a sideways, grey, upper-case 'H' on a yellow background. No clue who that could represent in the powers that be. However if their horses have been left with all their tack on, that means they've either just arrived themselves or they were not planing on staying long to begin with. Considering this is the same direction the KG come from, and the fact there are two of the same colour, I'm guessing those are their horses.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 11, 2016 16:22:51 GMT
At Starfall or ToJ? Because I'm thinking that the Tower of Joy is a name for one of the towers at Starfall. Maybe, and I'll remind everyone, Summerhall as not uninhabited. It as the summer residence of the kings, not to mention there were lots of witnesses to the tragedy. Maybe it was only a tragedy in terms of it failing, not only the great fire that consumed so many. So Starfall, for the rebirth of a dragon is not out of the question, I don't think. In the Soiled Knight, Arys Oakheart recalls the story of the "three leaves" in the Prince's Pass: Alester and Ser Olyvar Oakheart, and King Daeron Targaryen, the Young Dragon. That's cuz time is a wheel! I know there is something about the tower located in the Prince's Pass. Oh
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 11, 2016 16:30:16 GMT
wait whoa whoa.... MMR says Rhaego had wings. Maybe he really did.And Rhaego was filled with graveworms, and had been dead for years. Not to this idea, cuz I love it, but let's remember the child did not survive. Jorah says he buried it himself.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 11, 2016 16:35:00 GMT
ETA if Rhaegar already went through the fire rite at Summerhall, maybe the blood rite was also needed. Same with Dany... first the fire for the eggs, but it also needed the blood. I think it's the inverse no? Rhaegar has passed the fire element, and Dany (or rather MMD) used the blood element. I'm guessing it probably doesn't matter one way or the other, since both where there, but which dragon is Rheagar? And why three? ETA I mean bathing Drogo in a tub of stallion blood, rather stands out as a blood rite, no?
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