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Post by Ser Duncan on May 10, 2016 0:35:43 GMT
I think we're gonna get a surprise inside that tower. They haven't done enough to establish Rhaegar to a modern TV audience and haven't cast an actor to play him even though just one Bran tree vision of them eloping would do a lot to help the viewer understand. I think they have. I've been regularly watching with Unsullieds these past three weeks and they know who Rhaegar and Lyanna are. In fact one of the ladies was in a right strop that we didn't get the confirmation of R+L=J, it was quite funny.
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Post by winterbowl on May 10, 2016 0:57:37 GMT
I think we're gonna get a surprise inside that tower. They haven't done enough to establish Rhaegar to a modern TV audience and haven't cast an actor to play him even though just one Bran tree vision of them eloping would do a lot to help the viewer understand. I think they have. I've been regularly watching with Unsullieds these past three weeks and they know who Rhaegar and Lyanna are. In fact one of the ladies was in a right strop that we didn't get the confirmation of R+L=J, it was quite funny. I guess it could just be D&D laziness. They obviously aren't keen on detailing this awesome world at all. I still think he would have been shown if his son was really gonna be some kind of savior.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 10, 2016 1:04:22 GMT
The children in the tower, which freyfamilyreunion brought up, would be awesome. Hostages and sacrifices who were saved by Howlin' Mad Reed and The Ned. Ned would be wrong that it ends because Dany gears it up all those years later.
And yeah, that's not a tower, that's a frickin fort!
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 10, 2016 1:33:57 GMT
I guess it could just be D&D laziness. They obviously aren't keen on detailing this awesome world at all. I still think he would have been shown if his son was really gonna be some kind of savior. Now you mention it, you're right! In the very first episode we see Lyanna's statue, then we see it a few more times. Finally we see a young Lyanna in person. But we only ever hear about Rhaegar. In fact we see Whent Hightower and Dayne, but not Rhaegar. Interesting. Edited the KG name, thanks to Some Pig No Doubt's finding out the correct person fighting.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 10, 2016 1:45:42 GMT
Back in season 3 or 4, Joff offers to show Margaery "where the last Targaryens are buried." So perhaps Ned's comment about Rhaegar being "beneath the ground" is linked to that somehow. I mean, I think D&D are misguided with some things, but I also like to think they know the dialogue is valuable real estate, so it may turn out that there is some kind of forensic evidence of... something lol. What's up with Tyrion? He turned uninteresting and sort of... not Tyrion. Totally useless convo about drinking games, which goes against my high hopes for D&D treating dialogue with respect. Ser Duncan you are so right. Arya gets her sight back by drinking... shade of the evening? In the book, she drinks something, we have no idea. But the scene reminded me of when Mel drank the poisoned wine from Cressen. Arya lives because she is "truly no one." What is dead may never die? And I made a pretty cool catch. Sam to Gilly... " My father's... not my father, but my mother is a kind woman..."
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Post by Melifeather on May 10, 2016 2:04:14 GMT
Any ideas for the feather Robert Baratheon places in statue Lyanna's hand? It must be significant cos they showed it at the beginning.
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Post by Melifeather on May 10, 2016 2:11:46 GMT
Symbolically a feather should represent a wind god. Robert is a storm lord, so was that like his calling card?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 10, 2016 2:40:45 GMT
FYI - the other KG at the tower was Eddie Eyre playing Gerold Hightower. Here's Eddie's Twitter page that refs the character. So, Whent was either cut because who cares, or we have another later reveal with a third KG guarding a door (recall Robert B's death scene in book - KG standing guard outside the room where a gutted king was dying of his fetid wound). I'm kinda sorta not so secretly hoping that it's the latter, and Whent is going all Meryn Trant on Lyanna inside "at the prince's orders".
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Post by nanother on May 10, 2016 2:42:51 GMT
Re: Rickon and Umbers: they might be up to something. First, Umber conspicuously avoided swearing fealty to Ramsay, so there's some hope he's planning to turn on him. Second, the way Osha kept glancing at Rickon. Not sure what to make of it, but it sure looked suspicious. And I'm holding onto the hope that it was some other wolf's head they gave to Ramsay. Might be wishful thinking, of course. If they do have a plan, it's a very risky one ... who knows what Ramsay might do to Rickon How much do the Umbers know about what's going on in Winterfell, anyway? Quite a bit, it seems ... Re: ToJ as ritual: The "now it begins"/"now it ends" convo always puzzled me. Now, if it's a ritual, and the sacrifices are the combatants, rather than (or in addition to?) the ones in the tower, then it all makes sense - then it's indeed a beginning. It would also fit with the KG being so willing to die for an apparently lost cause. Or the strong suggestion that Ned and Howland ultimately lost, even though they technically won (backstabbing or no), although that's relatively easy to explain anyway. Re: Jon non-warging: I totally expect that to be different in the books. IIRC they played down the warg connections of all kids except Bran throughout the series, no? Arya's blind training doesn't seem to involve it either (unless I missed something?). OTOH they seem to be making a big deal out of there being only oblivion after death (http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/05/09/will-jon-snow-return-nights-watch-game-of-thrones-spoilers-interview/). Not sure how that will work in the books...
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 10, 2016 2:58:34 GMT
or we have another later reveal with a third KG That thought crossed my mind, But where is the seventh northman? Did the numbers become purposely lowered just to save a few bucks?
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 10, 2016 3:07:58 GMT
Second, the way Osha kept glancing at Rickon. Not sure what to make of it, but it sure looked suspicious. And I'm holding onto the hope that it was some other wolf's head they gave to Ramsay. Might be wishful thinking, of course. If they do have a plan, it's a very risky one ... who knows what Ramsay might do to Rickon How much do the Umbers know about what's going on in Winterfell, anyway? Quite a bit, it seems ... There were some strange looks from Osha and Rickon. Wasn't sure if there was something behind that. The wolf's head quickly changed my mind about a setup on the Umbers part, but maybe there is hope. ? Could it be that Rickon was ushered to Winterfell to stage an uprising? A male Stark, alive and in Winterfell could change some minds quickly.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 10, 2016 3:12:29 GMT
Any ideas for the feather Robert Baratheon places in statue Lyanna's hand? It must be significant cos they showed it at the beginning. The feather might be something from the Eyrie upbringing?
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 10, 2016 3:33:19 GMT
Any ideas for the feather Robert Baratheon places in statue Lyanna's hand? It must be significant cos they showed it at the beginning. And last season Sansa finds it and holds on to it. She has it in her hand when Littlefinger kisses her. I don't know what it's meant to symbolise, but it is curious that Robert should give it as an offering and despite others being in that crypt afterwards, no one but the next Stark female to enter that crypt finds it.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 10, 2016 3:37:13 GMT
Umber conspicuously avoided swearing fealty to Ramsay, That's right, he didn't! Instead he prevaricates about having sworn fealty to house Stark that has betrayed them by letting wildlings into their lands. Or so he says it's house Stark, even though Jon Snow is not considered a Stark.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 10, 2016 3:48:46 GMT
Symbolically a feather should represent a wind god. Robert is a storm lord, so was that like his calling card? The Inside the Episode gave some explanation about how that was Bob's thing, he would go all over to all these exotic places that have these exotic birds, and bring back a feather for Lyanna as a symbol of his love. So, ShowFic....nothing more.
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