Post by min on Jan 13, 2018 12:47:33 GMT
A brilliant deduction by FreyFamilyReunion leads me to believe that Mance's father was LC Qorgoyle, a Dornishman.
What we know:
- Mance's father is a man of the NW
- his mother was either a common woman (according to Selyse) or a wildling woman
- we're told that when he left the Watch, he was only going home
- Osha says that Mance is not a wildling, that he has never seen a winter north of the Wall
- Osha's statement is born out by the fact that we can place Mance in the NW when he comes to Winterfell with LC Qorgoyle and sees Rob and Jon as boys
The Ranging:
- we're told that Mance was found with a group of raiders that the Watch went out to confront
- if he was a wilding boy, why wasn't he put to death with the rest?
- if Mance was the son of a man of the Watch with status and importance, was the real purpose of the ranging to retrieve the boy?
Mance's Cloak:
- we're told that Mance's cloak was torn in three places and repaired with red silk
- that has led many to speculate that this represents the red and black of the Targs or the Blackfyre's
- FreyFamilyReunion points out that the sigil of House Qorgoyle is three black scorpions on a field of red; the colors would be reversed for a bastard.
The Song:
- for some reason Jon remembers the song the Dornishman's Wife when he thinks Mel is burning Mance at the stake
- if LC Qorgoyle is Mance's father; could he be the Dornishman's blade of the song
- is the song about the ranging to retrieve Mance from the wildlings?
Flew down from the Wall:
- we're also told that Mance flew down from the Wall for a woman
- is it possible that Dalla is the daughter of the wood's witch who healed Mance after the shadowcat attack?
Dreamed a Dream:
What we know:
- Mance's father is a man of the NW
- his mother was either a common woman (according to Selyse) or a wildling woman
- we're told that when he left the Watch, he was only going home
- Osha says that Mance is not a wildling, that he has never seen a winter north of the Wall
- Osha's statement is born out by the fact that we can place Mance in the NW when he comes to Winterfell with LC Qorgoyle and sees Rob and Jon as boys
The Ranging:
- we're told that Mance was found with a group of raiders that the Watch went out to confront
- if he was a wilding boy, why wasn't he put to death with the rest?
- if Mance was the son of a man of the Watch with status and importance, was the real purpose of the ranging to retrieve the boy?
Mance's Cloak:
- we're told that Mance's cloak was torn in three places and repaired with red silk
- that has led many to speculate that this represents the red and black of the Targs or the Blackfyre's
- FreyFamilyReunion points out that the sigil of House Qorgoyle is three black scorpions on a field of red; the colors would be reversed for a bastard.
The Song:
- for some reason Jon remembers the song the Dornishman's Wife when he thinks Mel is burning Mance at the stake
- if LC Qorgoyle is Mance's father; could he be the Dornishman's blade of the song
- is the song about the ranging to retrieve Mance from the wildlings?
Flew down from the Wall:
- we're also told that Mance flew down from the Wall for a woman
- is it possible that Dalla is the daughter of the wood's witch who healed Mance after the shadowcat attack?
A Storm of Swords - Jon I
"A cloak?"
"The black wool cloak of a Sworn Brother of the Night's Watch," said the King-beyond-the-Wall. "One day on a ranging we brought down a fine big elk. We were skinning it when the smell of blood drew a shadow-cat out of its lair. I drove it off, but not before it shredded my cloak to ribbons. Do you see? Here, here, and here?" He chuckled. "It shredded my arm and back as well, and I bled worse than the elk. My brothers feared I might die before they got me back to Maester Mullin at the Shadow Tower, so they carried me to a wildling village where we knew an old wisewoman did some healing. She was dead, as it happened, but her daughter saw to me. Cleaned my wounds, sewed me up, and fed me porridge and potions until I was strong enough to ride again.
"A cloak?"
"The black wool cloak of a Sworn Brother of the Night's Watch," said the King-beyond-the-Wall. "One day on a ranging we brought down a fine big elk. We were skinning it when the smell of blood drew a shadow-cat out of its lair. I drove it off, but not before it shredded my cloak to ribbons. Do you see? Here, here, and here?" He chuckled. "It shredded my arm and back as well, and I bled worse than the elk. My brothers feared I might die before they got me back to Maester Mullin at the Shadow Tower, so they carried me to a wildling village where we knew an old wisewoman did some healing. She was dead, as it happened, but her daughter saw to me. Cleaned my wounds, sewed me up, and fed me porridge and potions until I was strong enough to ride again.
Dreamed a Dream:
A Dance with Dragons - Jon XIII
"With the little monster, like as not. He's taken a liking to one o' them milkmaids, I hear."
He has taken a liking to Val. Her sister was a queen, why not her? Tormund had once thought to make himself the King-Beyond-the-Wall, before Mance had bested him. Toregg the Tall might well be dreaming the same dream. Better him than Gerrick Kingsblood. "Let them be," said Jon. "I can speak with Toregg later." He glanced up past the King's Tower. The Wall was a dull white, the sky above it whiter. A snow sky. "Just pray we do not get another storm."
"With the little monster, like as not. He's taken a liking to one o' them milkmaids, I hear."
He has taken a liking to Val. Her sister was a queen, why not her? Tormund had once thought to make himself the King-Beyond-the-Wall, before Mance had bested him. Toregg the Tall might well be dreaming the same dream. Better him than Gerrick Kingsblood. "Let them be," said Jon. "I can speak with Toregg later." He glanced up past the King's Tower. The Wall was a dull white, the sky above it whiter. A snow sky. "Just pray we do not get another storm."