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Post by Ser Duncan on Mar 25, 2016 16:52:07 GMT
I also note how similar the above is to Gould's concept of punctuated equilibrium, in evolutionary theory. Aye, the status is reached by unknowable means, maintained consistently for an unknown time, and then when it begins to fail its environment, specialisation results. This is not Darwin's survival of the fittest though, it's adaptation of certain features thought most likely to survive.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on Mar 26, 2016 19:03:58 GMT
Illyria first tells Tyrion about Young Griff:
Now compare a description of young Tristan, from Tristan and Isolde from almost every translated version of the tale:
And the parallels don't end there.
Young Griff is an orphan, allegedly the son of a Prince Rhaegar who is also a knight, he is brought to Illyrio and raised in his manse. When Young Griff is older he is put in the care of Jon Connington and the crew of the Shy Maid to help teach him to become a king.
Tristan is likewise an orphan, his father being Prince Rivalin, who died in battle around the time of his birth. His mother Blanchefleur was the sister of another King, she died giving birth to Tristan. They faked Tristan's death and buried a different child along with Rivan and Blanchefleur. Tristan was secretly raised by the wife of his father's Marsall, Rual, until he was seven, when he was turned over to the care of a "wise and learned man" named Kurwenal so that he might journey with him into foreign lands.
Both Young Griff and Tristan were very fluent in various tongues. Young Griff enjoyed playing cyvasse while Tristan enjoyed playing chess.
It also didn't escape my notice that Tristan's origin story is very similar to the origin story that the R + L = J crowd have given Jon. Tristan's Prince father had a secret affair with Tristan's noble born mother. She ran away with Rivalin to his kingdom where they married. They conceived Tristan, and then later Rivalin died from wounds taken in battle against an enemy force trying to take his father's kingdom. Blanchefleur died in childbirth. Tristan was raised by the mother of his father's Marshall and he grew up thinking she was his mother. Hmm, perhaps it should be R + L = YG?
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Mar 26, 2016 19:10:50 GMT
Hmm, perhaps it should be R + L = YG? I find this very telling as well: His mother Blanchefleur was the sister of another King Blanchefleur = white flower.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 27, 2016 4:00:20 GMT
Illyria first tells Tyrion about Young Griff: Now compare a description of young Tristan, from Tristan and Isolde from almost every translated version of the tale: And the parallels don't end there. Young Griff is an orphan, allegedly the son of a Prince Rhaegar who is also a knight, he is brought to Illyrio and raised in his manse. When Young Griff is older he is put in the care of Jon Connington and the crew of the Shy Maid to help teach him to become a king. Tristan is likewise an orphan, his father being Prince Rivalin, who died in battle around the time of his birth. His mother Blanchefleur was the sister of another King, she died giving birth to Tristan. They faked Tristan's death and buried a different child along with Rivan and Blanchefleur. Tristan was secretly raised by the wife of his father's Marsall, Rual, until he was seven, when he was turned over to the care of a "wise and learned man" named Kurwenal so that he might journey with him into foreign lands. Both Young Griff and Tristan were very fluent in various tongues. Young Griff enjoyed playing cyvasse while Tristan enjoyed playing chess. It also didn't escape my notice that Tristan's origin story is very similar to the origin story that the R + L = J crowd have given Jon. Tristan's Prince father had a secret affair with Tristan's noble born mother. She ran away with Rivalin to his kingdom where they married. They conceived Tristan, and then later Rivalin died from wounds taken in battle against an enemy force trying to take his father's kingdom. Blanchefleur died in childbirth. Tristan was raised by the mother of his father's Marshall and he grew up thinking she was his mother. Hmm, perhaps it should be R + L = YG? That's awesome. I am not familiar with Tristan and Isolde so I looked it up and read a synopsis. Besides what you have presented, I am picking up a Night's King vibe there in the second act. The Night King stole the Stark King's pale (Irish) woman? "Night's King was only a man by light of day, Old Nan would always say, but the night was his to rule." "Tristan decries the realm of daylight which is false, unreal, and keeps them apart. It is only in night, he claims, that they can truly be together and only in the long night of death can they be eternally united ("O sink' hernieder, Nacht der Liebe")" "During their long tryst, Brangäne calls a warning several times that the night is ending ("Einsam wachend in der Nacht"), but her cries fall upon deaf ears." Melo and King Mark as Joramun and the Stark of Winterfell? A good bit more of Martin's Song could fit into the Opera, I believe.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Mar 28, 2016 3:28:55 GMT
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Post by Melifeather on Mar 28, 2016 3:33:53 GMT
She's very good at deciphering parallels. I could use her help on my project!
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Apr 18, 2016 3:13:06 GMT
More of an observation than a theory,.
George's favorite numbers in the series - 3, 7, 11, 13, 79, etc - are all primes.
FWIW a section of my Marvel Origin Arc deals with characters given a title of "Prime XYZ"...one of whom becomes quite important in Modern Arc.
ETA: while digging around in data about crowns for a different project, I hit the wiki page for Westerosi crowns. Remember my Aegon IV / Aerys II comparison? Aegon IV = 11th king of Westeros. Prime number. Aerys II = 17th king of Westeros. Prime number. I have no clue if this is deliberate or even remotely important.
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Post by min on Apr 30, 2016 21:34:31 GMT
I've been curious about House Arryn's sigil which includes a falcon. Egyptian mythology is interesting regarding Horus which seems to fit House Arryn: Horus, the distant or one who is above, over. Horus represents the Sky God but also contains the sun and the moon. The right eye representing the sun and the left the moon.
Curiously, in the prologue of Game of Thrones; Waymar Royce has his left eye pierced by a shard from his shattered sword; which I suppose could be viewed in the context of the comet piercing the moon; or lightbringer forged in the the heart of Nissa Nissa. I wonder how many characters in the books have lost their left eye besides Bloodraven.
Also curious; House Royce is sworn to House Arryn.
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Post by min on May 14, 2016 15:39:11 GMT
It looks like Stannis had a glamored sword as far back as Dragonstone. A different sword than the flaming sword that Stannis pulls out of the fire when they are burning the gods on the beach. A Storm of Swords, Davos III:
Davos knelt, and Stannis drew his longsword. Lightbringer, Melisandre had named it; the red sword of heroes, drawn from the fires where the seven gods were consumed. (misdirection). The room seemed to grow brighter as the blade slid from its scabbard. The steel had a glow to it: now orange, now yellow now red. (Recall Sam's description of the glass candle in Marwyn's chambers.) The air shimmered around it.(Telltale) and no jewel had sparkled so brilliantly. But when Stannis touched it to Davos's shoulder, it felt no different than any longsword.
The same sword that Aemon asks to see and asks Sam if there was any heat to it. I think Melisandre is using obsidion in a glass candle kind of way. She admits to being familiar with it and says there's plenty of it at Dragonstone when Sam explains about the dragonglass cache.
There is a lot of stuff in Davos chapters that I didn't notice before.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 14, 2016 16:42:54 GMT
The same sword that Aemon asks to see and asks Sam if there was any heat to it. I think Melisandre is using obsidion in a glass candle kind of way. She admits to being familiar with it and says there's plenty of it at Dragonstone when Sam explains about the dragonglass cache. Oh it's definitely a glamour. We've talked about how Melisandre's 'ruby' might actually be a piece of obsidian, and I think that's exactly what's going on here. I can't remember, but is there a gem in the hilt or pommel of this supposed Lightbringer?
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Post by min on May 14, 2016 17:26:58 GMT
The same sword that Aemon asks to see and asks Sam if there was any heat to it. I think Melisandre is using obsidion in a glass candle kind of way. She admits to being familiar with it and says there's plenty of it at Dragonstone when Sam explains about the dragonglass cache. Oh it's definitely a glamour. We've talked about how Melisandre's 'ruby' might actually be a piece of obsidian, and I think that's exactly what's going on here. I can't remember, but is there a gem in the hilt or pommel of this supposed Lightbringer? GRRM didn't reveal the nature of glass candles until Sam arrived at the Citadel. Finding that in an early Davos chapter was a bit of a surprise to me since I didn't know what it was then. Just another confusing tidbit. Melisander's interactions with Davos in SoS is making me sit up straight. But I still haven't found the quote I'm trying to find. ETA: Yes on the 'ruby'. That' in DwD I think. And the other subtle clue about her ruby is given when Mance's ruby goes dark after the glamor is broken. rainbow obsidion
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Post by min on May 16, 2016 12:22:51 GMT
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Post by Melifeather on May 16, 2016 12:58:16 GMT
Another parallel about Tristan...Martell.
Arianne was Lord Martells's eldest child who's concerned about a younger brother being her father's heir.
Cersei was Lord Lannister's eldest child who's concerned about a younger brother being her father's heir.
Arianne tries to crown "Little Myrcella" to rally banners to support her claim as heir.
Cersei prevented a crowning and became queen.
Tywin tried to negotiate a marriage contract to marry Cersei to Rhaegar.
Doran sent Arianne to Rhaegar's "son" in hopes of a marriage contract.
Tywin failed, so Doran should succeed. edited to add (Tywin failed to marry Cersei to Rhaegar, so Arianne will likely marry Aegon.)
Cersei failed to be her father's heir, so Arianne should succeed her father.
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Post by min on May 20, 2016 12:10:04 GMT
I was having a look at the oath that Coldhands gives to Sam to open the Black Gate:
When someone approaches the Black Gate, the eyes open. They are white and blind, and then the door asks, "Who are you?" A man of the Night's Watch must repeat a part of his vow, "I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers. I am the shield that guards the realms of men." The door will open then, saying, "Then pass." The door's lips open wider and wider still until nothing remains but a great gaping mouth in a ring of wrinkles - Westeros Wiki
I am the fire and the light. This is also what Melisandre says about Rahloo and also that the Wall is as much her place as Jon's. She's also a watcher on the Wall. But there is an implication here about fire magic and the Night's Watch. This adds weight to the idea that Mel will resurrect Jon with fire magic. But what are the implications for the Night's Watch or the Night's King. This suggests a connection with Asshai.
I'm a bit confused about the inverted tower stuff and what place Melifeather is looking for in the North (now the South). If it's a tower; could it be located at the Night Fort or one of the castles on the Wall? An original round tower?
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Post by Melifeather on May 20, 2016 14:15:30 GMT
I am the fire and the light. This is also what Melisandre says about Rahloo and also that the Wall is as much her place as Jon's. She's also a watcher on the Wall. But there is an implication here about fire magic and the Night's Watch. This adds weight to the idea that Mel will resurrect Jon with fire magic. But what are the implications for the Night's Watch or the Night's King. This suggests a connection with Asshai. I'm a bit confused about the inverted tower stuff and what place Melifeather is looking for in the North (now the South). If it's a tower; could it be located at the Night Fort or one of the castles on the Wall? An original round tower? My thoughts are that fire magic was used to contain ice magic, so it makes sense that the Black Gate is warded with fire magic and that the Nights Watch is also connected to fire as I believe the original Nights Watch were falling, burning moon meteors carrying their fiery swords. North did not become south...it flipped upside down. Imagine Westeros as a big rock that got turned over. West is east and east is west, but the north is upside down, so the inverted towers are now actual towers.
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