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Post by min on May 11, 2016 12:05:31 GMT
But then Weasel Pie comes up with crazy stuff and I'm back on the horse again. Crazy is a group effort here! The thought of the scene being about a literal dragon birth/transformation is all Some Pig No Doubt 's, it just struck the right cord for me when I remembered the dialogue. Hooray! It's brilliant. I love these ideas. If it's not in the book, it should be. But what a shocker if it turns out this way.
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Post by min on May 11, 2016 12:43:17 GMT
It would make sense for the literal birth of a dragon, since in the past a young dragon died there. At Starfall or ToJ? Because I'm thinking that the Tower of Joy is a name for one of the towers at Starfall.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 11, 2016 13:02:27 GMT
Me too. With all the truly crazy stuff that happens in the book - for instance Dany is pretty much sold off as a child bride, learns to submit and please him sexually, gets pregnant, has to eat a horse's heart, sacrifices her unborn child and a horse for blood magic, is forced to murder her own husband, murders a woman, climbs into a fire so dragon eggs can hatch, then she nurses the dragons, etc - I mean, how can you compare the insanity of that story to "fiesty nobleborn girl gives birth to secret Prince who saves the world!"
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Post by min on May 11, 2016 13:09:10 GMT
Me too. With all the truly crazy stuff that happens in the book - for instance Dany is pretty much sold off as a child bride, learns to submit and please him sexually, gets pregnant, has to eat a horse's heart, sacrifices her unborn child and a horse for blood magic, is forced to murder her own husband, murders a woman, climbs into a fire so dragon eggs can hatch, then she nurses the dragons, etc - I mean, how can you compare the insanity of that story to "fiesty nobleborn girl gives birth to secret Prince who saves the world!" LOL. You can't, but it's getting very inception-y in here. I'm sure it can be fixed with the right amount of necromancy.
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Post by Melifeather on May 11, 2016 13:16:32 GMT
It would make sense for the literal birth of a dragon, since in the past a young dragon died there. At Starfall or ToJ? Because I'm thinking that the Tower of Joy is a name for one of the towers at Starfall. In the Soiled Knight, Arys Oakheart recalls the story of the "three leaves" in the Prince's Pass: Alester and Ser Olyvar Oakheart, and King Daeron Targaryen, the Young Dragon.
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Post by Melifeather on May 11, 2016 13:19:04 GMT
Me too. With all the truly crazy stuff that happens in the book - for instance Dany is pretty much sold off as a child bride, learns to submit and please him sexually, gets pregnant, has to eat a horse's heart, sacrifices her unborn child and a horse for blood magic, is forced to murder her own husband, murders a woman, climbs into a fire so dragon eggs can hatch, then she nurses the dragons, etc - I mean, how can you compare the insanity of that story to "fiesty nobleborn girl gives birth to secret Prince who saves the world!" It may be the feminist in me, but I can't help but wonder if it's because Dany is a woman that her story is dismissed as unimportant versus the (male) story of Jon. Woman always have to do twice as much, twice as good to get any attention, and if we assert ourselves we're "bitches".
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Post by min on May 11, 2016 13:22:14 GMT
At Starfall or ToJ? Because I'm thinking that the Tower of Joy is a name for one of the towers at Starfall. In the Soiled Knight, Arys Oakheart recalls the story of the "three leaves" in the Prince's Pass: Alester and Ser Olyvar Oakheart, and King Daeron Targaryen, the Young Dragon. I'll have to read that again. Catch up later.. Doctor's appointment.
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Post by Maester Flagons on May 11, 2016 13:36:30 GMT
It would make sense for the literal birth of a dragon, since in the past a young dragon died there. At Starfall or ToJ? Because I'm thinking that the Tower of Joy is a name for one of the towers at Starfall. Books or show? I know there is something about the tower located in the Prince's Pass. Can't recall what is book canon and what is not. Now I'm thinking about a couple of other locations: Summerhall and High Hermitage which are part of the Targ and Dayne holdings. The fort in this episode has not been burnt, but I can't help but think that these locale are being rolled into one.
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Post by Melifeather on May 11, 2016 13:38:13 GMT
At Starfall or ToJ? Because I'm thinking that the Tower of Joy is a name for one of the towers at Starfall. Books or show? I know there is something about the tower located in the Prince's Pass. Can't recall what is book canon and what is not. Now I'm thinking about a couple of other locations: Summerhall and High Hermitage which are part of the Targ and Dayne holdings. The fort in this episode has not been burnt, but I can't help but think that these locale are being rolled into one. In the book version two Oakhearts die along side their king in the Prince's Pass.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 11, 2016 14:02:12 GMT
omg
Barristan to Dany: "Rhaegar never loved killing. He loved singing."
Jorah to Dany: "Rhaegar was the last true dragon."
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 11, 2016 14:46:47 GMT
omg Barristan to Dany: "Rhaegar never loved killing. He loved singing." Jorah to Dany: "Rhaegar was the last true dragon." OMG, RhaegarDragon at TOJ has been my secret Penultimate Crazy Tinfoil Crackpot of ALL TIME for aaaaages now!!! Think about it....all of Dany's pregnancy dreams about giving birth to the black dragon, looking through the visor at the Trident and then seeing herself, Rhaegar being cremated in the tradition of fallen Targs despite falling in the Riverlands, smack in the middle of enemy territory 800 miles from King's Landing, very high probability of blood magic at the TOJ based on parallels with MMD & the tent.....it just. freaking. WORKS!!!! RHAEGARDRAGONGETHYPE
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 11, 2016 14:50:06 GMT
it explains almost every weird decision the show has made too!
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 11, 2016 14:52:30 GMT
Thread over in general please? No big OP needed, just start it up.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on May 11, 2016 14:53:16 GMT
It really does.
And it would be the *SHOCKING* reveal and a twist totally worthy of GRRM.
OK, that's it....I need to make a thread in the Crackpot Compendium. I have been mentally amassing evidence for this for a while.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 11, 2016 14:53:31 GMT
wait whoa whoa.... MMR says Rhaego had wings. Maybe he really did.
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