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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 17:42:42 GMT
I'll just keep telling myself that Rickon is safe for that reason. I keep telling myself the head of that wolf was too small to be the real Shaggy Dog. *clutching at straws*
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 17:48:33 GMT
...I hope that extends to Ramsay not torturing Rickon. I also cringed when Smalljon Umber (!!!!!) implied that someone... Harald Karstark?... liked young boys. I think Osha is in for it. Ramsay asked if the 'gift' was a new woman for him, since both his 'bitches' are now gone. Hopefully he will throw Rickon into the kennels. He'll be relatively safe there. He can skinchange Jeyne, the lead bitch, and control the actions of the pack that way. Or, and here's me dreaming, Shaggy is still out there in hiding, like Nymeria, and he can take over the pack. Since Nymeria is out there rowing with Gendry on the show, they could have Shaggy to do what Nym does instead.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 9, 2016 17:49:19 GMT
I cringe as well especially since they burnt poor Shireen; I'm not sure how far they will go with Rickon. I see Ramsey sticking Rickon in the Kennels since he needs a new Reek. Shaggy Dog is gone and Rickon needs a new Shaggy. So sending the dogs on a hunt after Osha might be the end of Ramsey. I can only hope. Blood magic for what purpose though? I do recall that Ned's ghost told Bran something about Jon in a dream which he couldn't remember upon waking. Also, wondering if that memory was deliberately blocked like his vision of the golden man. oh man! I like it! Rickon warging the dogs and ravaging Ramsay. Fantastic. Blood magic in the form of a sacrifice? A ritual? This deserves a thread, there are a few theories floating around about that. So, shouldn't we expect the Umbers to double-cross Ramsay somehow? Since Ramsay mentioned three houses - Umber, Karstark and Manderly - and two are accounted for, I say Manderly (a fat Northern lord is in the casting lists) may be the one to double cross Ramsay. And possibly save Rickon? At least we know there is a Manderly/Rickon connection in the books... Also guys, was Jon heading North through a stone tunnel after his watch ended? I can't tell.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 9, 2016 17:50:37 GMT
He can skinchange Jeyne, the lead bitch, and control the actions of the pack that way. Or, and here's me dreaming, Shaggy is still out there in hiding, like Nymeria, and he can take over the pack. a man can dream!
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 9, 2016 17:53:35 GMT
hahaa I just realized something. RLJ is champing for "Jon arises from his own funeral pyre as a Targaryen!" - and that didn't happen.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 17:58:34 GMT
I don't know...when I read ADWD I was under the impression that when Theon and fArya jumped, the Umbers caught them, delivered them to Stannis, and then are waiting outside the gates of Winterfell. So, shouldn't we expect the Umbers to double-cross Ramsay somehow? I think they're combining the Umbers and Manderlys on the show, since in the books the Umbers were on the outside and the Manderlys were on the inside, and I was expecting them to get rid of Ramsay. It was Tycho Nestoris that found Theon and Jeyne. He was riding down to meet with Stannis and found them. The Umbers that are supposed to double cross Stannis arrive at the same time. But if you read the Theon chapters from Winds of Winter, it seems Stannis has cottoned on the betrayal and is taking action against it. It's never made clear in the books if the Umbers that are at Winterfell will turn on the Boltons and side with the Manderlies (Manderlys?), because the Umbers that pledged to Stannis are expected to turn on him, that's what Alys Umber Karstark tells Jon she over heard her uncle saying. On the show, the Umbers give a flimsy excuse as to why they're joining Ramsay, because Jon let the wildlings in and they're now on the Umbers' land. Manderly is entirely separate to them, but he got no screen time in episode 3. To me it sounds like a set up, but I would also think Ramsay knows they're fickle friends.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 9, 2016 18:02:54 GMT
... are we sure he's out of the picture?
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Post by Melifeather on May 9, 2016 18:05:10 GMT
Also guys, was Jon heading North through a stone tunnel after his watch ended? I can't tell. No. He was headed south. Umbers that pledged to Stannis I thought it was a Karstark that was with Stannis and who was going to try and double cross Stannis?
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 9, 2016 18:11:57 GMT
I thought there were three. There were definitely seven riders though. But why was one of Ned's men wearing a turban? That confused me. There were two kg. Maybe Hightower is in the tower acting the midwife. I watched it again, and I only counted six northmen. Thought there were seven too. And the turban is weird. I watched the toj scene on youtube, and here is what I think happened. I don't think Howland took part in the fight at all until the very end when he stabbed Arthur in the Neck (heh). This is why it looked like only six northmen were in the fight. My guess is during the majority of the fight Howland may have gone into the tower (even though that doesn't look much like a tower, and good luck having Howland and Eddard taking that down by themselves) to check to see what was inside the tower. Perhaps this is why he came at Arthur as hard as he did. My personal theory is that they were planning on sacrificing a number of children inside.
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 18:22:08 GMT
I thought it was a Karstark that was with Stannis and who was going to try and double cross Stannis? You're right, I had it backwards. The show confused me.
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Post by min on May 9, 2016 18:28:48 GMT
There were two kg. Maybe Hightower is in the tower acting the midwife. I watched it again, and I only counted six northmen. Thought there were seven too. And the turban is weird. I watched the toj scene on youtube, and here is what I think happened. I don't think Howland took part in the fight at all until the very end when he stabbed Arthur in the Neck (heh). This is why it looked like only six northmen were in the fight. My guess is during the majority of the fight Howland may have gone into the tower (even though that doesn't look much like a tower, and good luck having Howland and Eddard taking that down by themselves) to check to see what was inside the tower. Perhaps this is why he came at Arthur as hard as he did. My personal theory is that they were planning on sacrificing a number of children inside. Interesting. That would certainly upset Bran and I wonder if he saw something similar in his crow vision at the heart of winter, causing him to cry uncontrollably. The terrible knowledge of something. Can you spill a little more on your theory. What children?
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 18:31:09 GMT
I watched the toj scene on youtube, and here is what I think happened. I don't think Howland took part in the fight at all until the very end when he stabbed Arthur in the Neck (heh). No, Howland gets slashed in the chest by Arthur at the very beginning of the fight. He goes down holding his ripped open armour. There's a really quick look at him down on the ground while the fighting continues above him in that shot. My guess is during the majority of the fight Howland may have gone into the tower (even though that doesn't look much like a tower, and good luck having Howland and Eddard taking that down by themselves) to check to see what was inside the tower. Perhaps this is why he came at Arthur as hard as he did. I was thinking something along those lines. Howland would've had a good reason to stab Arthur in the back of the throat. Either that, or he just couldn't see his lord killed after all they'd been through and in desperation did a dishonourable thing for justifiable reasons. But where the hell did he go afterwards? Last we see him, he witnesses Ned give Arthur the coup de grace (with Dawn), and then, blip, he's gone. Did he go into the tower (heh, yeah, knock that one down between yas boys) before Ned?
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Post by Ser Duncan on May 9, 2016 18:36:13 GMT
Just as matter of interest... Dawn.
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Post by Melifeather on May 9, 2016 18:36:52 GMT
Blood sacrifice would certainly be something Bloodraven would want to save for a future lesson...
Yeah, that tower looked waaay too big and sturdy for Ned and Howland to pull down. Good luck with that!
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Post by Melifeather on May 9, 2016 18:37:51 GMT
Just as matter of interest... Dawn. Looks like an ordinary sword. Maybe they're not going to make a big fuss over the sword?
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