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Post by Melifeather on Dec 8, 2016 21:05:16 GMT
How the game is played: spreading lies among the servants and employing armies of singers. Was it the Queen of Thorns who spread the rumors about Rhaegar kidnapping and raping Lyanna. Did she employ an army of singers? I agree that the Queen of Thorns was an adept player of the GOT, but I'm still hung up on Robert dressing in an armor that looked like Rhaegar's.
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Post by min on Dec 8, 2016 21:41:43 GMT
I'm partial to the idea that she started the rumors about Rhaegar and Lyanna and hired the singers to spread the story. I'm also starting to think that Lyanna ran because marriage contracts were being renegotiated between Hoster Tully, Tywin Lanniser, Rickard Stark and Jon Arryn. With Lyanna going to Jon Arryn after an abortion. Which she refused.
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Post by Melifeather on Dec 9, 2016 1:02:38 GMT
If the theory that the crown of roses was a message regarding the Tyrells somehow, why would they then try to sabotage it? I guess it's the same thing as what Littlefinger did, but I seem to recall something about the Tyrells being loyal to the throne, so whatever Rhaegar wanted, they wanted.....right?
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Post by min on Dec 9, 2016 1:42:05 GMT
If the theory that the crown of roses was a message regarding the Tyrells somehow, why would they then try to sabotage it? I guess it's the same thing as what Littlefinger did, but I seem to recall something about the Tyrells being loyal to the throne, so whatever Rhaegar wanted, they wanted.....right? Rhaegar giving the crown of roses to Lyanna is about Jenny of Oldstones rather than Bael the Bard. Tywin is financed by the Tyrells' and has been for a long time. I'm sure Oleanna interfered then, as now for some reason. After Lyanna screwed up all the best laid plans by running away. Followed by Aerys killing Brandon and Rickard.
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Post by Melifeather on Dec 9, 2016 3:01:02 GMT
Tywin didn't need finances by anybody back then. He owns gold mines.
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Post by min on Dec 9, 2016 4:27:54 GMT
So you have the Stab Alliance in the north with Baratheon, Stark, Tully, Arryn and Lannister. The Rhaegar alliance with Dorne. Where does that leave the Tyrels and their allies in the struggle for power or the re-alignment of houses once Aerys is removed?
Rhaegar may or may not have been part of the plot to remove Aerys and Tywin Lannister sits it out and plays both ends against each other. Did the Tyrels go to war or did they sit this one out too? If their game is to spread propaganda; then they succeeded against Rhaegar and the Northern Alliance.
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Post by Melifeather on Dec 9, 2016 13:01:00 GMT
I honestly hadn't contemplated the Tyrells as a silent partner to the BLAST alliance until you revealed this as a possibility with your weeping blood analysis, so I don't have a fully formed theory about them, but I believe SomePig pointed out that the Tyrells gave up Storm's End without much of a fight once Ned showed up with his men. At first glance it seemed the prudent thing to do considering, but what if it's because he was never their enemy? What if his main job was to keep Stannis contained? What would the implications be?
I still think Tywin was always part of BLAST and it was a militarized strategy in order to take Kings Landing by surprise.
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Post by min on Dec 9, 2016 14:45:03 GMT
There's an interesting idea that Wolfmaid brings up a W that spotted animals are unclean. In Theon's dream sequence of Lyanna wearing a white dress spattered in gore; all of the dead could be considered unclean deaths. Which makes me wonder how Lyanna's death was unclean.
"She should be on a hill somewhere, under a fruit tree, with the sun and clouds above her and the rain to wash her clean." - Robert
Dead because of treachery. Here's another dream of Theon's:
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Post by Melifeather on Dec 9, 2016 16:18:20 GMT
Yes to treachery. I had thought spots meant they were sacrificed, but I think treachery is a better descriptive word.
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Post by min on Dec 9, 2016 18:10:28 GMT
The curious thing about statues of the madonna weeping blood is that they are conidered by the church to be a hoax for the most part. The inclusion of Benfred Tallhart and his Wild Hares in Theon's dream calls to mind Pierre Teilhard a jesuit who is said to have participated in a hoax about Piltdown Man.
Then there is the white hart (stag):
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Post by min on Dec 10, 2016 4:54:27 GMT
Came across another interesting bit here. After Jon has his weirBran experience; Ghost is waiting at the top of the hill looking at the stars I wonder if Lyanna was hidden by the Tallharts. Curiously, there is no mention of the hare, the doe and she-wolf as constellations.
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Post by min on Dec 10, 2016 5:02:12 GMT
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Post by Melifeather on Dec 10, 2016 14:21:10 GMT
I'm afraid I don't see what you're seeing, but the passages about the Talhart boys was kinda sad. They were romanticizing Robb's successes and it led to their deaths just as surely it did Robb's.
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Post by min on Dec 10, 2016 14:42:48 GMT
If this is an echo of the past; Tallharts are staunch supporters of the Starks going way back. Like the Mormonts and the Manderleys. Why have Lyanna associated with a white fawn. So it's curious to me that the hare, the doe, and the she-wolf are grouped together. And that the Wild Hares would show up in Theon's dream which includes Lyanna. I'm wondering if there is a connection. The Tallharts are another house that includes various renditions of Stark names; they are close to being almost like crannog-men and they're another ancient house. The Wild Hares imagine themselves as wolves; chivalry is their code. So did the she-wolf disguise herself as a 'hare' at one point and was she hiding somewhere around Moat Cailin.
So in other words there is an unknown Tallhart going back to the time of Lyanna's disappearance. The fact that Jon groups the hare,doe and she-wolf together focuses my attention on what that could represent about mother. This comes immediately after Bran opens Jon's third eye. They are not constellations. Jon is asking Ghost who is staring intently at the stars if Ghost has a name for the constellations: the hare, the doe and the she-wolf.
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Post by min on Dec 11, 2016 5:45:21 GMT
Hah! A hare is a buck or a doe, male or female. While a baby rabbit is a kitten or kit -- Kit Harington.
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