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Post by Melifeather on May 16, 2016 21:15:32 GMT
You're right...I should'nt...if the synapses has them in a romance, then I'm hoping he's not related. I don't know about the letter but does this come from the old heresy that the stark bloodline is kept through the female line? Yes, that was an old discussion.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 16, 2016 21:17:22 GMT
You're right...I should'nt...if the synapses has them in a romance, then I'm hoping he's not related. I don't know about the letter but does this come from the old heresy that the stark bloodline is kept through the female line? That wasn't part of my thinking. Is that the same heresy with Val and Dalla being royalty of the same female line?
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Post by min on May 16, 2016 21:20:14 GMT
I don't know about the letter but does this come from the old heresy that the stark bloodline is kept through the female line? That wasn't part of my thinking. Is that the same heresy with Val and Dalla being royalty of the same female line? Vaguely, I think it was jnr's contention that it was the stark female bloodline that was important. Which is why I still have the notion that Sansa will survive and return to Winterfell.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 16, 2016 21:21:16 GMT
Kept meaning to ask this, waiting on a rewatch, but didn't Petyr throw out a "wars to come" line to Lord Royce? That makes three now that I'm aware of. Mance. Arthur. Now Petyr.
Deeper meaning to the story, or the writers thinking themselves clever?
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Post by alienarea on May 16, 2016 21:23:08 GMT
Kept meaning to ask this, waiting on a rewatch, but didn't Petyr throw out a " wars to come" line to Lord Royce? That makes three now that I'm aware of. Mance. Arthur. Now Petyr. Deeper meaning to the story, or the writers thinking themselves clever? Telegraphing Petyr will die this season?
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 16, 2016 21:25:05 GMT
That wasn't part of my thinking. Is that the same heresy with Val and Dalla being royalty of the same female line? Vaguely, I think it was jnr's contention that it was the stark female bloodline that was important. I don't recall a discussion about the Stark bloodline being maternal. I do recall a discussion that the ability to "warg" was passed on through the female only. Which may be why none of Varamyr's children had the gift.
I assume that House Stark has always practiced Primogeniture, since all of the statues in the crypts were men up until Lyanna.
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Post by Melifeather on May 16, 2016 21:25:31 GMT
Is that the same heresy with Val and Dalla being royalty of the same female line? Yes, I believe so. And I have noticed the "wars to come" phrase as well...not sure what it means.
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Post by min on May 16, 2016 21:28:46 GMT
Kept meaning to ask this, waiting on a rewatch, but didn't Petyr throw out a " wars to come" line to Lord Royce? That makes three now that I'm aware of. Mance. Arthur. Now Petyr. Deeper meaning to the story, or the writers thinking themselves clever? Yes he does. At 2.33 www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsUy5X9tUlQAnd can we throw SweetRobin out the moon door? And can Sansa throw Petyr off a tall tower in a caslte made of snow.
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Post by Melifeather on May 16, 2016 21:29:36 GMT
Vaguely, I think it was jnr's contention that it was the stark female bloodline that was important. I don't recall a discussion about the Stark bloodline being maternal. I do recall a discussion that the ability to "warg" was passed on through the female only. Which may be why none of Varamyr's children had the gift.
I assume that House Stark has always practiced Primogeniture, since all of the statues in the crypts were men up until Lyanna.
That's actually what I meant. That the warg-gene was passed through the female line. The Stark family tree seems to show Stark females marrying distant cousins instead of outside the family. As for primogeniture, it's usually the Lords of Winterfell that get the statue and a Lord isn't exclusively the eldest as Eddard surely isn't. The whole family gets crypts with the Lord as protector of the family...at least that's what it looks like, but the swords across the lap could also be a warding upon the crypt.
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Post by freyfamilyreunion on May 16, 2016 21:40:21 GMT
I don't recall a discussion about the Stark bloodline being maternal. I do recall a discussion that the ability to "warg" was passed on through the female only. Which may be why none of Varamyr's children had the gift.
I assume that House Stark has always practiced Primogeniture, since all of the statues in the crypts were men up until Lyanna.
That's actually what I meant. That the warg-gene was passed through the female line. The Stark family tree seems to show Stark females marrying distant cousins instead of outside the family. As for primogeniture, it's usually the Lords of Winterfell that get the statue and a Lord isn't exclusively the eldest as Eddard surely isn't. The whole family gets crypts with the Lord as protector of the family...at least that's what it looks like, but the swords across the lap could also be a warding upon the crypt. Yea, there may be a couple of families like this. They don't go brother to sister like the Targaryens, but they do seem to marry the first cousins a lot, which might be necessary to keep a warg gene (or perhaps some other magical bloodline) within the family.
The Blackwoods for instance, seem very concerned about keeping the only daughter in the family from being fostered outside of the House. And I noticed that House Redwyne married Paxter Redwyne to Mina Tyrell, who is a first cousin to House Redwyne.
And you're right, the eldest Stark doesn't always get Winterfell so they don't strictly practice primogeniture, but they do try to keep it to a male heir.
ETA: as an aside, I have been a bit curious about what happened to the maternal line of House Gardner. I assume that they survived through various noble Houses in the reach. I wonder if some of those houses have continued to foster that bloodline.
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 16, 2016 22:19:51 GMT
I don't recall a discussion about the Stark bloodline being maternal. I may be conflating a Heresy discussion with Branvras Huis Clos theories which I think are partially debunked* by the reveal of Lyarra Stark, a cousin, as the wife of Rickard and mother of BNLB. *and also supported! I have noticed the "wars to come" phrase as well...not sure what it means. Credit to you of course for pointing out that Mance had said it, so I was hypersensitive when Petyr said it. And can we throw SweetRobin out the moon door? Great little actor, I actually believe he's a sociopath.
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Post by min on May 16, 2016 22:54:42 GMT
I was expecting something to do with the old crones coming out of the lake...not burning all the khals! But maybe the crawling crones are everyone kneeling, and the lake represents all the different tribes? The only problem is that now the show has made her fireproof and I'm not sure GRRM intended that. Yes, I think she ends up leading the Kalasar but she still has to pass beneath the shadow to touch the light according to Quaithe. The shadow beneath the mother of mountains, their high holy place, with the lake beneath it. There is also her vision of a long line of crones coming naked out of the lake and kneeling before her.
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Post by Melifeather on May 16, 2016 23:34:53 GMT
I was expecting something to do with the old crones coming out of the lake...not burning all the khals! But maybe the crawling crones are everyone kneeling, and the lake represents all the different tribes? The only problem is that now the show has made her fireproof and I'm not sure GRRM intended that. Yes, I think she ends up leading the Kalasar but she still has to pass beneath the shadow to touch the light according to Quaithe. The shadow beneath the mother of mountains, their high holy place, with the lake beneath it. There is also her vision of a long line of crones coming naked out of the lake and kneeling before her. I'm guessing that doesn't translate well to the tv screen for our dear unsullied.
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Post by min on May 17, 2016 0:28:37 GMT
Yes, I think she ends up leading the Kalasar but she still has to pass beneath the shadow to touch the light according to Quaithe. The shadow beneath the mother of mountains, their high holy place, with the lake beneath it. There is also her vision of a long line of crones coming naked out of the lake and kneeling before her. I'm guessing that doesn't translate well to the tv screen for our dear unsullied. At least one of the Dosh Khalleen can prophesy if you go with the stallion that mounts the earth. Men only on top of the mountain for their secret rights and I think women only in what I'm guessing are caves beneath. The Dosh Khaleen are the wisdom on the tribe; the soothsayers or perhaps there is one leader of the women. So what is their secret beneath the shadow? A long line of crones coming from the pool to kneel before Dany sounds like a vision out of time or going back in time through the generations. I think Dany will undergo some rite possibly with drugs and visions involved and become the new seer or whatever their equivalent. The Dosh Khaleen will support her and perhaps before she gets there she will impress upon the Dothraki riders that find her that Drogon won't stand for any funny business. She may hatch a plan to convince the Khals to join her along the way. Repeating Drogo's plan of conquest across the poison sea. Does anyone doubt that she's going back to Meereen with 100,000 screaming swords. It's a miracle!
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Post by Weasel Pie on May 17, 2016 0:45:01 GMT
Royce's cloak is covered in runes! (rewatching, it's on now) why didn't I notice this before? sheesh, me
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