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Post by Melifeather on Sept 18, 2016 13:51:30 GMT
This always happens to me.... I'm lying in bed trying to sleep and I keep wondering what Dany loves most in the world. Her children, the dragons. Yes! They are her children!
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Post by min on Sept 18, 2016 15:27:56 GMT
Yes! They are her children! Forged in the heart of fire! I have to think that the second forging has something to do with Tyrion physically shattered? I wonder if Dany can bring him back to life with a fiery kiss... making him essentially a 'dragon' and someone who can ride dragons. Even better if it has something to do with greyscale and he cracks open like an egg. LOL! The imagination goes wild. Or she burns his dead body on a pyre and he cracks open and sloughs off the greyscale. Hee Hee
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Post by Maester Flagons on Sept 18, 2016 16:09:33 GMT
Heh.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Sept 18, 2016 17:06:45 GMT
Ironic isn't it?
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Post by min on Sept 18, 2016 17:42:48 GMT
Let's see, more spitballing:
The dragon has three heads.
. . . three fires must you light . . . one for life and one for death and one to love . . . . . . three mounts must you ride . . . one to bed and one to dread and one to love . . . . . . three treasons will you know . . . once for blood and once for gold and once for love . .
OR this way:
Do we read them top-down? In other words; a fire, a mount and a treason
1) Mother of Dragons: For life, to bed, for blood
- Dany's life in exchange for her son's life, a bed of blood - Qotho accuses Dany of being a maegi, says he will kill her after killing MMD - failed forging of sword in water - Drogo plunged into a bath of water - soul and body separated, broken in two - Dany resurrected amidst salt tears and smoke - temporary immunity to fire; not fully transformed - death pays for life
2) Daughter of Death: for death, to dread, for gold
- failed forging of sword in the heart of a lion, sword is shattered
- There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him
3) Slayer of Lies: one to love, one to love, once for love
- successful forging in a heart of fire - Dany loves her children, the dragons
Any sense of what this one means:
"From a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire."
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Post by min on Sept 19, 2016 16:05:57 GMT
The Red Sword of Heroes and Lightbringer are two different things to my mind. I think 'Lightbringer' wields the red sword of heroes or the red sword is an instrument as in Jon Snow. While Lightbringer is 'warm to the touch'; the red sword is a fiery blade. So I gotta go with a sword made of red obsidian of the type that Melisandre uses for her 'ruby'. I think the dawn sword is something else entirely. In any case, it isn't the weapon itself that has to be 'forged' it's the one who wields the weapon who is forged into the instrument. So I think the search for the weapon or the forging of the weapon itself is a bit of a red herring. It's curious that Dany is tempted by the Undying with magical weapons and archaic knowledge but refuses the temptation. ETA: The red comet and bleeding stars seems to be different things. According to the original prophecy bleeding stars come after the long summer and when the cold breath of darkness falls on the world - the dread hour. There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him. The Hedge Knight: Trial of Seven - Dawn, the appointed hour Dunk had never felt so alone as he did when he walked out the gates of Ashford Castle and heard the portcullis rattle down behind him. A soft rain was falling, light as dew on his skin, and yet he shivered at the touch of it. Across the river, colored rings haloed the scant few pavilions where fires still burned. The night was half gone, he guessed. Dawn would be on him in a few hours. And with dawn comes death.
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Post by min on Sept 23, 2016 22:39:44 GMT
Hah! The PwiP might be an ancient Dothraki prophecy:
"What does it mean?" she asked. "What is this Stallion? Everyone was shouting it at me, but I don't understand."
"The stallion is the khal of khals promised in ancient prophecy, child He will unite the Dothraki into a single khalasar and ride to the ends of the earth, or so it was promised. All the people of the world will be his herd."
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 28, 2016 15:44:50 GMT
the khal of khals promised in ancient prophecy Nice catch. It goes along with what Snowy was saying about sacrifices and king's blood.
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Post by min on Oct 26, 2016 16:05:45 GMT
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Post by Melifeather on Oct 26, 2016 23:01:19 GMT
Martin talks about smoke as a euphamism for blood on Beauty and the Beast. Very interesting. Salt and smoke....salt and blood.
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Post by min on Oct 26, 2016 23:44:02 GMT
More specifically... amidst salt tears and blood. And so we have this with Bran when he crosses the Black Gate and tastes the salty tear and later tastes blood. As well as will Dany in MMD's ritual; her smoking tears and her blood. Both involve a blood sacrifice.
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