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Post by min on Oct 27, 2016 16:30:17 GMT
TBH, I think the punctuation in that interview is incorrect and that alone has been misleading fans all these years. IMO the "I can't tell you who/Luke Skywalker situation" line is what George actually told Alfie, not what Alfie is telling the interviewer. This was a printed interview conducted by a journalist from New York City with an actor from London. I would not be surprised even a little bit if it turned out that Jennifer Vineyard did not interpret Alfie's natural speech patterning and sentence breaks correctly when transcribing for her piece. That's what I think as well.
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Post by min on Oct 27, 2016 16:46:55 GMT
I've messaged Alfie Allen on his facebook page for clarification. Not sure if he is active on facebook. But let's see.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 27, 2016 16:53:12 GMT
I've messaged Alfie Allen on his facebook page for clarification. Not sure if he is active on facebook. But let's see. Nice!
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 27, 2016 16:56:05 GMT
I mean, there's no need for anyone to issue a correction or force a retraction or anything...the statement isn't technically incorrect, if that's the case. The punctuation assigned by the author is wrong, though. Most likely, it should read:
What did you ask him about in return? You know, I asked him about who Jon Snow's real parents were, and he told me, "I can't say who, but I can tell you that it involves a bit of a Luke Skywalker situation. It will all come to fruition eventually." The whole thing with all the fight over proper succession is partly inspired by the War of the Roses in the late 1400s, and back then, to ensure pedigree, the monarchies were kind of inbred. It's definitely fucked up, but it definitely happened back then, so that's why there's incest with the Targaryen line. It's toned down, though.
Changing it to the proper punctuation makes this totally in line with GRRM secrecy; it would cause more of a stir for anyone to correct or clarify. It worked to everyone's advantage so why mess with something that isn't necessarily wrong, right?
What I find much more interesting in that quote are the subsequent ramblings about inbred monarchies. Obviously Alfie's brain is making connections so I'm curious as to what mental leap happened to hinge Star Wars to the War of the Roses.
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Post by min on Oct 27, 2016 17:03:21 GMT
I mean, there's no need for anyone to issue a correction or force a retraction or anything...the statement isn't technically incorrect, if that's the case. The punctuation assigned by the author is wrong, though. Most likely, it should read: What did you ask him about in return?You know, I asked him about who Jon Snow's real parents were, and he told me , "I can't say who, but I can tell you that it involves a bit of a Luke Skywalker situation. It will all come to fruition eventually." The whole thing with all the fight over proper succession is partly inspired by the War of the Roses in the late 1400s, and back then, to ensure pedigree, the monarchies were kind of inbred. It's definitely fucked up, but it definitely happened back then, so that's why there's incest with the Targaryen line. It's toned down, though. Changing it to the proper punctuation makes this totally in line with GRRM secrecy; it would cause more of a stir for anyone to correct or clarify. It worked to everyone's advantage so why mess with something that isn't necessarily wrong, right? What I find much more interesting in that quote are the subsequent ramblings about inbred monarchies. Obviously Alfie's brain is making connections so I'm curious as to what mental leap happened to hinge Star Wars to the War of the Roses. No I'm not asking for a correction. I just asked him if it was transcribed incorrectly and should have read: I asked him who Jon Snows real parents were and he told me that he couldn't say; It's kind of a luke skywalker situation. Rather than "I asked him who Jon Snow's real parents were and he told me." I'm not sure that it's worked to everyone's advantage because jnr brings up the obvious criticism. The main reason why the statement would be dismissed. The connection between Jon and Luke Skywalker and the War of the Roses is the crown of blue roses. That GRRM includes something about the war of the roses. a thing up constantly in his interviews about the books; sounds like something he would tell Alfie. But I'm not sure that Alfie would get the symbolism of the crown of blue roses and the war of the roses in 1400's.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Oct 27, 2016 17:18:19 GMT
Oops, sorry min, I meant force the author of the article to correct, not you asking Alfie to correct!
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Post by min on Oct 27, 2016 17:20:46 GMT
I just had to smack down Mottisdotter at Westeros. She's being very snarky about it.
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Post by jnr on Oct 28, 2016 0:31:12 GMT
I doubt GRRM mentioned Luke Skywalker Yeah, I agree. Really not his style; he has very little respect for Star Wars and would not likely have used it as an inspiration, nor told anyone else he had. -- GRRM I think whatever GRRM said, Allen interpreted and twisted in such a way as to remind himself of Luke Skywalker, and so he's the source of that reference... as well as the subsequent nonsensical rambling about inbreeding and the Targaryens who "toned it down" compared to what happened in Europe (which gets it backwards).
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Post by Weasel Pie on Oct 28, 2016 0:36:00 GMT
as well as the subsequent nonsensical rambling about inbreeding and the Targaryens who "toned it down" compared to what happened in Europe (which gets it backwards). Yeah, not really sure how ASoIaF "toned down" the incest, considering Jaime/Cersei and Craster. And how do you tone it down anyway? It's incest.
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Post by ac on Oct 28, 2016 2:43:18 GMT
as well as the subsequent nonsensical rambling about inbreeding and the Targaryens who "toned it down" compared to what happened in Europe (which gets it backwards). Yeah, not really sure how ASoIaF "toned down" the incest, considering Jaime/Cersei and Craster. And how do you tone it down anyway? It's incest. Haha, well at least Jaime and Cersei (kinda) tried to keep it a secret. Even Danny grew up thinking she would marry Viserys!
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Post by jnr on Oct 28, 2016 4:59:26 GMT
Yeah, not really sure how ASoIaF "toned down" the incest, considering Jaime/Cersei and Craster. And how do you tone it down anyway? It's incest. I think he has some idea the Targaryens were less incestuous than the Europeans, but as we all know from the canon: From a genetic standpoint, that is toning things way the eff up. Or as a recent court musician phrased it: "Tone Down for What?"
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Post by min on Nov 2, 2016 13:15:41 GMT
What do you think Southron Ambitions means? Lady Dustin:
A Dance with Dragons - The Turncloak The lantern light in her eyes made them seem as if they were afire. "Brandon was fostered at Barrowton with old Lord Dustin, the father of the one I'd later wed, but he spent most of his time riding the Rills. He loved to ride. His little sister took after him in that. A pair of centaurs, those two. And my lord father was always pleased to play host to the heir to Winterfell. My father had great ambitions for House Ryswell. He would have served up my maidenhead to any Stark who happened by, but there was no need. Brandon was never shy about taking what he wanted. I am old now, a dried-up thing, too long a widow, but I still remember the look of my maiden's blood on his cock the night he claimed me. I think Brandon liked the sight as well. A bloody sword is a beautiful thing, yes. It hurt, but it was a sweet pain.
"The day I learned that Brandon was to marry Catelyn Tully, though … there was nothing sweet about that pain. He never wanted her, I promise you that. He told me so, on our last night together … but Rickard Stark had great ambitions too. Southron ambitions that would not be served by having his heir marry the daughter of one of his own vassals. Afterward my father nursed some hope of wedding me to Brandon's brother Eddard, but Catelyn Tully got that one as well. I was left with young Lord Dustin, until Ned Stark took him from me."
My first reaction is to think of the Daynes, but everything south of Winterfell geographically is described as far to the south. So are Rickard Stark's southron ambitions a referral to Ned and Robert's betrothal?
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Post by jnr on Nov 2, 2016 15:27:14 GMT
So are Rickard Stark's southron ambitions a referral to Ned and Robert's betrothal? Were they betrothed? Interesting theory...
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Post by Melifeather on Nov 2, 2016 15:41:29 GMT
What do you think Southron Ambitions means? Lady Dustin: A Dance with Dragons - The Turncloak The lantern light in her eyes made them seem as if they were afire. "Brandon was fostered at Barrowton with old Lord Dustin, the father of the one I'd later wed, but he spent most of his time riding the Rills. He loved to ride. His little sister took after him in that. A pair of centaurs, those two. And my lord father was always pleased to play host to the heir to Winterfell. My father had great ambitions for House Ryswell. He would have served up my maidenhead to any Stark who happened by, but there was no need. Brandon was never shy about taking what he wanted. I am old now, a dried-up thing, too long a widow, but I still remember the look of my maiden's blood on his cock the night he claimed me. I think Brandon liked the sight as well. A bloody sword is a beautiful thing, yes. It hurt, but it was a sweet pain. "The day I learned that Brandon was to marry Catelyn Tully, though … there was nothing sweet about that pain. He never wanted her, I promise you that. He told me so, on our last night together … but Rickard Stark had great ambitions too. Southron ambitions that would not be served by having his heir marry the daughter of one of his own vassals. Afterward my father nursed some hope of wedding me to Brandon's brother Eddard, but Catelyn Tully got that one as well. I was left with young Lord Dustin, until Ned Stark took him from me." My first reaction is to think of the Daynes, but everything south of Winterfell geographically is described as far to the south. So are Rickard Stark's southron ambitions a referral to Ned and Robert's betrothal? IMO this has to refer to a marriage alliance other than to one of the Stark bannermen. That's the point I was making in the thread on Westeros. It was uncommon to make an alliance between great houses. Usually the great houses arranged marriages with their bannermen to strengthen those ties. It's "southron" because the Tullys are a great house south of Winterfell. I'm sure Lady Dustin expected a marriage alliance to Brandon Stark, but when that never materialized it must have been received as a great insult to hear about the one to house Tully. It's also "southron" because the bannermen also understood the implications of the great Houses intermarrying and opposing Targaryen rule. The RLJ-ers mention "no insults or injuries" prior to the Rebellion, but I think they are wrong and was wondering if a list of grievances could be gathered to show that the great Houses did consider Aerys bad enough to overthrow prior to the grievances that were obvious afterward, like Rickard and Brandon's deaths.
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Post by min on Nov 2, 2016 16:20:06 GMT
So are Rickard Stark's southron ambitions a referral to Ned and Robert's betrothal? Were they betrothed? Interesting theory... LOL! My mind plays tricks on me. The other day, I had the tv on in the background and thought I heard a commercial saying that if you were tired of your old underwear and didn't want to wear them anymore; you could trade them in for cash.
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