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Post by wolfmaid7 on Nov 9, 2016 23:44:18 GMT
I think the Faceless men are too sophisticated to send the clumsy small and dirty old man. No,i'm not saying "they" had anything to fo with that.Only that someone that parallels the trickster does. And the three i mentioned fit the trickster archetype.So we are looking for someone that does. It may that be particular group but the culprit may be out of the others.
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Post by min on Nov 10, 2016 0:16:06 GMT
I think the Faceless men are too sophisticated to send the clumsy small and dirty old man. Well they used Pate at the Citadel. He wasn't too bright. The assassin was also mumbling that 'it would be a mercy'. Even though it was Robert who said it would be a mercy; it's also the faceless man MO. Joffrey may have been familiar with the dragonbone handled knife and bragged about it; but it's the catspaw's state of mind and Hodor's 'queer' behavior that I find interesting.
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Post by min on Nov 10, 2016 8:29:36 GMT
No,i'm not saying "they" had anything to fo with that.Only that someone that parallels the trickster does. Nice essay on the Trickster at W.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Nov 10, 2016 17:10:20 GMT
Was suppose to post that a while now...Thanks.I will get back to your post later.
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Post by min on Nov 10, 2016 17:30:37 GMT
Was suppose to post that a while now...Thanks.I will get back to your post later. That's ok you don't have to comment or respond.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Nov 11, 2016 0:34:08 GMT
Yeah i do you brought up a good point here and i'm glad you posted it there.
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Post by Weasel Pie on Nov 11, 2016 0:35:29 GMT
Nice essay on the Trickster at W. Link please @ wolfmaid7?
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Post by min on Nov 11, 2016 3:21:26 GMT
Yeah i do you brought up a good point here and i'm glad you posted it there. Loki/Trickster reminds me that Hodr/Hodor was also tricked by Loki into killing Baldr. According to Bran; Hodor's favorite stories are about knights fighting monsters. norse-mythology.org/hodr/So the question in my mind is whether or not there was an attempt to use Hodor as a catspaw at some time; an invasion of his mind which he was able to fight off leaving him permanently damaged while Bran's catspaw was not so lucky. There is also a suggestion that Hodor translates to the Great Other who's name cannot be spoken. Scanning through the books, the only other time Hodor expresses irrational fear (besides the incident in the crypts) is during lighting/thunder storms. The code of the faceless men that you can't kill someone you know, if given a name, seems to be operating here with Bran's catspaw: No one knows his name and nobody was supposed to be here. He is no man of Winterfell.
Unfortunately there is nothing in the books to say when Hodor was afflicted or what might have been going on at Winterfell or with the Starks at the time. But I think it's not the first time someone or something attempted a hit on the Starks. I'm still suspicious of an infiltration at the Citadel and the use of glass candles.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Nov 11, 2016 6:29:13 GMT
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Post by min on Nov 15, 2016 13:49:44 GMT
Does anyone know what this means:
A Storm of Swords - Epilogue
Merrett had plenty of fear. His head was pounding too. Much more of this and he'd be sobbing. "You have your gold," he said. "Give me my nephew, and I'll be gone." Petyr was actually more a great half-nephew, but there was no need to go into that.
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Post by Melifeather on Nov 15, 2016 14:26:44 GMT
Does anyone know what this means: A Storm of Swords - Epilogue Merrett had plenty of fear. His head was pounding too. Much more of this and he'd be sobbing. "You have your gold," he said. "Give me my nephew, and I'll be gone." Petyr was actually more a great half-nephew, but there was no need to go into that.
Merrett Frey? What is the context of this passage?
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Post by min on Nov 15, 2016 15:06:02 GMT
Does anyone know what this means: A Storm of Swords - Epilogue Merrett had plenty of fear. His head was pounding too. Much more of this and he'd be sobbing. "You have your gold," he said. "Give me my nephew, and I'll be gone." Petyr was actually more a great half-nephew, but there was no need to go into that.
Merrett Frey? What is the context of this passage? I have to get SoS out and read the epilogue again.
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Post by min on Nov 23, 2016 11:32:18 GMT
Has anyone ever considered that Brandon Stark might be Jon's father by Lady Dustin? It's curious that she mirrors Robert Baratheon by going down into the crypts but I could never understand why she wants revenge on Ned Stark given her relationship with Brandon. Brandon was fostered at Barrowtown and he had ongoing relations with Lady Dustin. She even tells Theon that she wanted to be a Stark. I have a hard time believing that she holds a grievance against Ned because he didn't bring William Dustin's bones home to her.
A Dance with Dragons - The Turncloak
"You knew him," Theon said. The lantern light in her eyes made them seem as if they were afire. "Brandon was fostered at Barrowton with old Lord Dustin, the father of the one I'd later wed, but he spent most of his time riding the Rills. He loved to ride. His little sister took after him in that. A pair of centaurs, those two. And my lord father was always pleased to play host to the heir to Winterfell. My father had great ambitions for House Ryswell. He would have served up my maidenhead to any Stark who happened by, but there was no need. Brandon was never shy about taking what he wanted. I am old now, a dried-up thing, too long a widow, but I still remember the look of my maiden's blood on his cock the night he claimed me. I think Brandon liked the sight as well. A bloody sword is a beautiful thing, yes. It hurt, but it was a sweet pain.
"The day I learned that Brandon was to marry Catelyn Tully, though … there was nothing sweet about that pain. He never wanted her, I promise you that. He told me so, on our last night together … but Rickard Stark had great ambitions too. Southron ambitions that would not be served by having his heir marry the daughter of one of his own vassals. Afterward my father nursed some hope of wedding me to Brandon's brother Eddard, but Catelyn Tully got that one as well. I was left with young Lord Dustin, until Ned Stark took him from me."
Barbrey: Why do you love the Starks? Theon: I … I wanted to be one of them … Barbrey: And never could. We have more in common than you know, my lord.
I question whether Lady Dustin was left pregnant and had a son "young Lord Dustin" during Robert's Rebellion; whom Ned took from her when he returned the Red Stallion.
This in turn mirrors Ned's conversation with Robert about fostering Robert Arryn and not wanting to leave a boy to be raised by his mother. As Lord of Winterfell, could he force Lady Dustin to give up her son? Would her father make the decision to foster her son with his own 'blood' and Lord? is this what she means when she tells Theon they have more in common than he knows since Theon was also 'taken'? Is this reason why he never tells Catelyn about Jon's mother?
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Post by Melifeather on Nov 23, 2016 11:41:46 GMT
Has anyone ever considered that Brandon Stark might be Jon's father by Lady Dustin? It's curious that she mirrors Robert Baratheon by going down into the crypts but I could never understand why she wants revenge on Ned Stark given her relationship with Brandon. Brandon was fostered at Barrowtown and he had ongoing relations with Lady Dustin. She even tells Theon that she wanted to be a Stark. I have a hard time believing that she holds a grievance against Ned because he didn't bring William Dustin's bones home to her. A Dance with Dragons - The Turncloak "You knew him," Theon said. The lantern light in her eyes made them seem as if they were afire. "Brandon was fostered at Barrowton with old Lord Dustin, the father of the one I'd later wed, but he spent most of his time riding the Rills. He loved to ride. His little sister took after him in that. A pair of centaurs, those two. And my lord father was always pleased to play host to the heir to Winterfell. My father had great ambitions for House Ryswell. He would have served up my maidenhead to any Stark who happened by, but there was no need. Brandon was never shy about taking what he wanted. I am old now, a dried-up thing, too long a widow, but I still remember the look of my maiden's blood on his cock the night he claimed me. I think Brandon liked the sight as well. A bloody sword is a beautiful thing, yes. It hurt, but it was a sweet pain. "The day I learned that Brandon was to marry Catelyn Tully, though … there was nothing sweet about that pain. He never wanted her, I promise you that. He told me so, on our last night together … but Rickard Stark had great ambitions too. Southron ambitions that would not be served by having his heir marry the daughter of one of his own vassals. Afterward my father nursed some hope of wedding me to Brandon's brother Eddard, but Catelyn Tully got that one as well. I was left with young Lord Dustin, until Ned Stark took him from me."
Barbrey: Why do you love the Starks? Theon: I … I wanted to be one of them … Barbrey: And never could. We have more in common than you know, my lord. I question whether Lady Dustin was left pregnant and had a son "young Lord Dustin" during Robert's Rebellion; whom Ned took from her when he returned the Red Stallion. This in turn mirrors Ned's conversation with Robert about fostering Robert Arryn and not wanting to leave a boy to be raised by his mother. As Lord of Winterfell, could he force Lady Dustin to give up her son? Did he take the boy from her in the same sense that he took Theon from his family. Is this the thing they have in common that Theon doesn't know about? I don't know. It's an interesting proposition, but wouldn't that make Jon considerably older? I think she's resentful towards the Starks for all they've taken from her, but mostly for losing Brandon.
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Post by min on Nov 23, 2016 11:46:31 GMT
Has anyone ever considered that Brandon Stark might be Jon's father by Lady Dustin? It's curious that she mirrors Robert Baratheon by going down into the crypts but I could never understand why she wants revenge on Ned Stark given her relationship with Brandon. Brandon was fostered at Barrowtown and he had ongoing relations with Lady Dustin. She even tells Theon that she wanted to be a Stark. I have a hard time believing that she holds a grievance against Ned because he didn't bring William Dustin's bones home to her. A Dance with Dragons - The Turncloak "You knew him," Theon said. The lantern light in her eyes made them seem as if they were afire. "Brandon was fostered at Barrowton with old Lord Dustin, the father of the one I'd later wed, but he spent most of his time riding the Rills. He loved to ride. His little sister took after him in that. A pair of centaurs, those two. And my lord father was always pleased to play host to the heir to Winterfell. My father had great ambitions for House Ryswell. He would have served up my maidenhead to any Stark who happened by, but there was no need. Brandon was never shy about taking what he wanted. I am old now, a dried-up thing, too long a widow, but I still remember the look of my maiden's blood on his cock the night he claimed me. I think Brandon liked the sight as well. A bloody sword is a beautiful thing, yes. It hurt, but it was a sweet pain. "The day I learned that Brandon was to marry Catelyn Tully, though … there was nothing sweet about that pain. He never wanted her, I promise you that. He told me so, on our last night together … but Rickard Stark had great ambitions too. Southron ambitions that would not be served by having his heir marry the daughter of one of his own vassals. Afterward my father nursed some hope of wedding me to Brandon's brother Eddard, but Catelyn Tully got that one as well. I was left with young Lord Dustin, until Ned Stark took him from me."
Barbrey: Why do you love the Starks? Theon: I … I wanted to be one of them … Barbrey: And never could. We have more in common than you know, my lord. I question whether Lady Dustin was left pregnant and had a son "young Lord Dustin" during Robert's Rebellion; whom Ned took from her when he returned the Red Stallion. This in turn mirrors Ned's conversation with Robert about fostering Robert Arryn and not wanting to leave a boy to be raised by his mother. As Lord of Winterfell, could he force Lady Dustin to give up her son? Did he take the boy from her in the same sense that he took Theon from his family. Is this the thing they have in common that Theon doesn't know about? I don't know. It's an interesting proposition, but wouldn't that make Jon considerably older? I think she's resentful towards the Starks for all they've taken from her, but mostly for losing Brandon. When was Brandon betrothed to Catelyn?
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