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Post by wolfmaid7 on Jul 12, 2016 22:04:50 GMT
No Robert didn't say that,Ned did: "I was with her when she died," Ned reminded the king. "She wanted to come home, to rest beside Brandon and Father." He could hear her still at times. Promise me, she had cried, in a room that smelled of blood and roses. Promise me, Ned. The fever had taken her strength and her voice had been faint as a whisper, but when he gave her his word, the fear had gone out of his sister's eyes. Ned remembered the way she had smiled then, how tightly her fingers had clutched his as she gave up her hold on life, the rose petals spilling from her palm, dead and black. After that he remembered nothing. They had found him still holding her body, silent with grief. The little crannogman, Howland Reed, had taken her hand from his. Ned could recall none of it. " I bring her flowers when I can," he said. "Lyanna was … fond of flowers."-GOT That's the one. Now that I see it; he doesn't really say blue roses, just that the room smelled of roses. "I bring her flowers when I can?" - again, What? Yeah i think he meant in that moment that he would go down to the crypts whenever possible and bring her flowers because she had like them.However,i think that it was what he did when she was alive to when she "disappeared"
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jul 13, 2016 2:25:06 GMT
Wouldn't ordinary dark red rose petals turn black if squished in hand for a long time? Doesn't seem so extra ordinary to me, given that she liked flowers, she would have a fragrant rose close enough to help disguise the smell of blood. Kinda like pomanders and posies that folks would carry about with them to disguise the smell of London in the middle ages.
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Post by min on Jul 13, 2016 10:34:36 GMT
I guess I question it because it sounds to me like it was Howland giving her 'flowers' while Ned was incapacitated. So I question the circumstances. Ned finds her in a bed of blood and then the place is cleaned up and smells of blood and roses. It sounds like Lyanna lingered at least for a few days before succumbing to a fever (infection?). That's Ned's stated cause of death. So I still question where this happened. I have my doubts about the Tower of Joy. Ned didn't see Howland again after the ToJ and he didn't see Robert after Robert's rebellion until he came to Winterfell. It sounds like Howland only met Lyanna for the first time at the Tourney at Harrenhal. So I don't think that giving her flowers whenever possible is a reference to paying homage in the crypt at Winterfell. It seems more likely to me that Howland would not come back to Winterfell after the ToJ because showing up there would cause a lot of questions to be asked; something Ned didn't want.
Robert expired fairly quickly of his wound and the show makes that seem the likely outcome for Lyanna. All that blood seems over the top.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Jul 13, 2016 14:33:17 GMT
I guess I question it because it sounds to me like it was Howland giving her 'flowers' while Ned was incapacitated. So I question the circumstances. Ned finds her in a bed of blood and then the place is cleaned up and smells of blood and roses. It sounds like Lyanna lingered at least for a few days before succumbing to a fever (infection?). That's Ned's stated cause of death. So I still question where this happened. I have my doubts about the Tower of Joy. Yes, I see what you mean and agree with your conclusions in so far as this can't be in a lonely, rickety tower in the Princes Pass. Clearly there was more then just Howland and Ned there, so how could only two live to ride away from the place? Did Ned or Howland kill whoever else the 'they' Ned refers to having found him? And where on earth would they get fresh roses in an out of the way place like that? The obvious conclusion would be that either the ToJ is not her location, or Howland went for help and stopped to buy Lya flowers while looking for urgent health care professionals.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Jul 13, 2016 14:58:01 GMT
Yes, I see what you mean and agree with your conclusions in so far as this can't be in a lonely, rickety tower in the Princes Pass. Clearly there was more then just Howland and Ned there, so how could only two live to ride away from the place? Did Ned or Howland kill whoever else the 'they' Ned refers to having found him? And where on earth would they get fresh roses in an out of the way place like that? The obvious conclusion would be that either the ToJ is not her location, or Howland went for help and stopped to buy Lya flowers while looking for urgent health care professionals. In a war zone,no less.I pointed this out as part of my essay and the vitrol that ensued caused me not have to shave my armpits and legs that week.But its is one of the things that make me believe that wherever Lyanna was.It was not at toj.To have someone in and out bringing roses during a time of war is just ridiculous.Especialy seeing as Robert was in the Stormlands fighting......No one saw anything?
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Post by Melifeather on Jul 13, 2016 17:26:40 GMT
IMO Arthur Dayne helped get Lyanna to Ned in the Vale prior to his calling his banners for the Rebellion. She was wounded, and they made it as far as White Harbor before she took a turn for the worse. Ned stayed with Lyanna until she died, calling his banners while still at White Harbor. Howland could have traveled there and found Ned holding Lyanna's dead hand. Wylla then, was a Manderly, and Ned really did leave her with a bastard in her belly. If he was there long enough to learn that she was pregnant before joining the Rebellion, then he sent her to Winterfell with Lyanna's corpse, and to leave Jon to be raised there, but sent her away once Catelyn moved in.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Jul 13, 2016 18:32:35 GMT
IMO Arthur Dayne helped get Lyanna to Ned in the Vale prior to his calling his banners for the Rebellion. She was wounded, and they made it as far as White Harbor before she took a turn for the worse. Ned stayed with Lyanna until she died, calling his banners while still at White Harbor. Howland could have traveled there and found Ned holding Lyanna's dead hand. Wylla then, was a Manderly, and Ned really did leave her with a bastard in her belly. If he was there long enough to learn that she was pregnant before joining the Rebellion, then he sent her to Winterfell with Lyanna's corpse, and to leave Jon to be raised there, but sent her away once Catelyn moved in. I must admit that Ned's singling out Arthur over Whent and Hightower does indicate to me anyway that he did something that Ned holds in high regard.
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