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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 4, 2016 0:43:37 GMT
There is also another curious statement in the crypts where Ned tells Robert that Lyanna was .... (pause) fond of flowers. It occurs to me that Flowers is a bastard name for someone born in the Reach. Heh. The name Flowers also happens to be the surname of the mysterious Maester Walys, maester for Winterfell, who disappeared during the Rebellion. I wonder if Lyanna was fond of one particular flower? Kindof a Scarlet Letter thing going on mayabe?
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Post by min on Sept 4, 2016 1:17:03 GMT
Heh. The name Flowers also happens to be the surname of the mysterious Maester Walys, maester for Winterfell, who disappeared during the Rebellion. I wonder if Lyanna was fond of one particular flower? Kindof a Scarlet Letter thing going on mayabe? Then we have Jaime telling Cersei that Jon Snow was such a 'white' name like the white cloaks they give you in the KG when you say the pretty words. Just after he tells her the Gerold Hightower told him his job was to obey the king; not judge him. Maester Walys a flowers? I don't know what to think.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 4, 2016 2:19:41 GMT
But I still don't know what IOF stands for Lol i meant to put The Quiet Isle where the pregnant women go to have their babies in secret. Second thread is up. Cheers Wolfy, I thought I was losing my mind for a mo' Why not put a thread here? I'm sure you'll get a much more reasoned response, one that actually talks about how we've changed (or not) our opinions on who Jon's parents are?
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Sept 4, 2016 2:37:28 GMT
Lol i meant to put The Quiet Isle where the pregnant women go to have their babies in secret. Second thread is up. Cheers Wolfy, I thought I was losing my mind for a mo' Why not put a thread here? I'm sure you'll get a much more reasoned response, one that actually talks about how we've changed (or not) our opinions on who Jon's parents are? That is my intent.I'm juggling work and an ailing husband right now.So,it will not be for a while.
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Post by Ser Duncan on Sept 4, 2016 3:13:49 GMT
That is my intent.I'm juggling work and an ailing husband right now.So,it will not be for a while. Sorry to hear read that! Hope he gets better soon. I've gotta say, at the least he is in good hands
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Post by min on Sept 4, 2016 4:53:00 GMT
That is my intent.I'm juggling work and an ailing husband right now.So,it will not be for a while. Sorry to hear read that! Hope he gets better soon. I've gotta say, at the least he is in good hands Oh sorry Wolfmaid. I hope he gets better soon also. I'm fairly convinced that Dany and Aegon are Rhaegars and that she fills out one side of the prophecy but Jon is something else. Since Jon is of no interest to Varys, I don't think he is a Targ bloodline combo. I think the Gardener bloodline is just as ancient as the Daynes or the Starks so it doesn't rule out the Baratheons for a magical bloodline given the symbolism of flowery crowns, morningtars, horned lords etc. And now what's the mystery behind Maester Walys and Lyanna's disappearance. I do think that GRRM is doing some name dropping with Wyllas at various locations. I still think that the someone at the Citadel was behind the knife attack on Bran. So it might follow that there was an interest in Lyanna's pregnancy and was removed from Winterfell for some reason. Either to put her in jeopardy or hide her somewhere. Castle Wyl is not very far from Oldtown.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Sept 4, 2016 6:50:30 GMT
orry to hear read that! Hope he gets better soon. I've gotta say, at the least he is in good hands He's being a baby,milking it a lot but i'll let him have.We've been together long enough I'm fairly convinced that Dany and Aegon are Rhaegars and that she fills out one side of the prophecy but Jon is something else. Since Jon is of no interest to Varys, I don't think he is a Targ bloodline combo. I think the Gardener bloodline is just as ancient as the Daynes or the Starks so it doesn't rule out the Baratheons for a magical bloodline given the symbolism of flowery crowns, morningtars, horned lords etc. And now what's the mystery behind Maester Walys and Lyanna's disappearance. I do think that GRRM is doing some name dropping with Wyllas at various locations. I still think that the someone at the Citadel was behind the knife attack on Bran. So it might follow that there was an interest in Lyanna's pregnancy and was removed from Winterfell for some reason. Either to put her in jeopardy or hide her somewhere. Castle Wyl is not very far from Oldtown. Yeah i think Aegon is real to and so is Dany.My thing with Jon atleast from a narrative point he has no connections to Targs.The one mentor he had that was a Targ died.He had a few people to mentor him that weren't Targs so its not like this was some form for deviation. I'm also of the belief that the timeline is wrong because several things don't add up.
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Post by min on Sept 4, 2016 7:08:39 GMT
Yeah i think Aegon is real to and so is Dany.My thing with Jon atleast from a narrative point he has no connections to Targs.The one mentor he had that was a Targ died.He had a few people to mentor him that weren't Targs so its not like this was some form for deviation. It's the underlying assumption that Rhaegar knows something about the prophecy and that he will produce the PWiP etc to meet the fire and ice conditions for bloodlines. That underpins everything about RLJ. The problem is that Rhaegar gets it wrong. The child that he produces that's a product of his bloodline is Dany and it's the mother's bloodline that's important to the prophecy - Ashara. He may very well have been given a glimpse of Lyanna. In the same way that Melisandre asks to see Stannis in her fire; but sees Jon instead. She dismisses him at first. Because the Red Lot think that AA comes from the Baratheon bloodline and she doesn't know about Robert and Lyanna. So something similar with Rhaegar. Lyanna is important to the other side of the equation; Rhaegar thinks he has to produce a son with Lyanna for the fire and ice prophecy. But the magic combination is Stark/Gardener to produce Jon. This is way under the radar. People will want to stick with Rhaegar's interpretation.
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Post by min on Sept 4, 2016 10:03:12 GMT
The path turned, and there were the cottages ahead of them. The Elder Brother had called them modest. That they were. They looked like beehives made of stone, low and rounded, windowless. "This one," he said indicating the nearest cottage, the only one with smoke rising from the smokehole in the center of the roof. Hah! That's fantastic. Saltpans, smoke holes and a vow of silence. So the next placer involves Edric Dayne and Wylla the wetnurse; entrusting a child to a pit viper. What about Bear Island with Jorah Mormont since we have some name dropping there as well.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 4, 2016 15:08:11 GMT
I'm also of the belief that the timeline is wrong because several things don't add up. I don't think the timeline is wrong...I think that certain assumptions tied to the timeline are wrong. I have been working on laying out the "what we know" regarding Rebellion Babies and various adult players in the game, and the results thus far are most interesting.
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Post by Some Pig No Doubt on Sept 4, 2016 15:09:17 GMT
What about Bear Island with Jorah Mormont since we have some name dropping there as well. Definitely something up with Bear Island. IMO that connection traces to Dany.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Sept 4, 2016 16:55:52 GMT
But I still don't know what IOF stands for Isle of Faces, but wolfmaid meant the Quiet Isle. Nevermind, already answered.
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Post by Maester Flagons on Sept 4, 2016 17:14:21 GMT
The name Flowers also happens to be the surname of the mysterious Maester Walys Walys. Wylas, Wylla. Walys was Wylla! Lol. Seriously though the names are suspiciously similar.
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Post by min on Sept 4, 2016 17:35:49 GMT
The name Flowers also happens to be the surname of the mysterious Maester Walys Walys. Wylas, Wylla. Walys was Wylla! Lol. Seriously though the names are suspiciously similar. Hmm, Varys has been known to dress up as a woman.
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Post by wolfmaid7 on Sept 4, 2016 20:45:34 GMT
I don't think the timeline is wrong...I think that certain assumptions tied to the timeline are wrong. I have been working on laying out the "what we know" regarding Rebellion Babies and various adult players in the game, and the results thus far are most interesting. That is a better angle,and really what i'm going for.Assumptions drawn from characters are used wrongly.
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